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I challenge anyone to find what happened to my nan,s birthparents
Maisie( fellman )Roberts born dec 1881 to charlotte roberts in birkenhead
Father unnamed but as fellman was given as a 2nd name we think Fellman was his surname .charlotte gave residence as edgar st
Updated info thanks to ancestry wizards; this is the right Charlotte Roberts(,born 3/7/1881 )
father John b1852 ,mother carolineb1860
sister mary b1882married isaac irvine 1906
1901 her father and sis are at that address but she is not .
no sign of her on 1911 either census,because
Charlotte later married and had a "respectable" son but don,t know surnames or places,we suspect she moved away from birkenhead to marry.but may have come back when her dad died in 1906 i wonder if he left her anything or gave the £313 ,15s and 10d all to her only sis mary
If you follow this thread pls go to page 2 as 1st page is the wizards helping me with ,wrong charlotte apologies to them and to her descendents if I,ve tarnished her reputation.
we've come to a standstill til we get to Liverpool and can see that will .

Births Mar 1900 Roberts Maisie Fellman Birkenhead 8a 474

1901

Name: Charlotte Roberts
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas Roberts
Mother's Name: Sarah Roberts
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Birkenhead
Ecclesiastical parish: Tranmere St Catherine
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Birkenhead
Sub-registration district: Tranmere
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 146
Piece: 3395
Folio: 111
Page Number: 20
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Roberts 60
Sarah Roberts 52
Florence Roberts 26
Charlotte Roberts 23
Jane Roberts 19



So where was Maisie in 1901?

I am assuming this is George in 1901

Name: George Jacob Fellman
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Foreigan Subject, Russia
Civil parish: Birkenhead
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Registration district: Birkenhead
Sub-registration district: Birkenhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 58
Piece: 3391
Folio: 111
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
George Jacob Fellman 30
Tobias Furman 30

well Maisie is still in the same area

Name: Maisie F Roberts
Spouse Surname: Jones
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1924
Registration district: Birkenhead
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume Number: 8a
Page Number: 1083
Find Spouse:Edward B Jones

Would this be Maisie in 1911?

1911 England Census
about Maisie Roberts Name: Maisie Roberts
Age in 1911: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1899
Relation to Head: Inmate
Gender: Female
Civil parish: Paddington
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: St Johns Hostel and Training School, Great Western Road, Westbourne Park, Paddington, London W
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: SCHOOL GIRL
Registration district: Paddington
Registration District Number: 1
Sub-registration district: Paddington Central
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Piece: 43

Margie, unless I'm reading it wrong that Maisie in 1911 was born in Cape town?

How do you know that the Charlotte living with Thomas and Sarah is the mother of Maisie please?

Uh Oh! That's a big Oops on my part, rootgatherer, I didn't look at the original. I usually always do so. Capetown, South Africa it is.

No problem Margee.

I think we need Alisoun to come back and help us here. I'm not seeing Maisie on the 1901 never mind the 1911.

It would be good to know what proof there is that Charlotte is the daughter of Thomas and Sarah. Without a marriage certificate how would you know her father's name? Without findin Charlotte and Maisie together on a census I think we are just guessing.

on maisie,s birth cert charlotte roberts is listed as draper,s assistant living at edgar* st
very near to menai st .birthplace and fox street where baby maisie boarded with Hollis family in 1901
It could be a different Charlotte roberts but didn,t find any alternative mothers

1911

National Archive Reference:
RG14PN21970 RG78PN1308 RD452 SD1 ED13 SN294
Reg. District: Birkenhead
Sub District: Birkenhead
Parish: Birkenhead
Enum. District: 13
Address: 1 Greenfield St Birkenhead
County: Cheshire


Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
HALLIS, Samuel Head Married M 72 1839 Tailor Liverpool Lancs
HALLIS, Mary Wife Married
47 years F 68 1843 Liverpool Lancs
>>>>>HALLIS, Masie Adopted F 11 1900 Birkenhead Cheshire
HUNTER, Martha Widow Widow F 50 1861 Liverpool

For ref.

1901

Name: Mary Roberts
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Birkenhead
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Birkenhead
Sub-registration district: Birkenhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 211
Piece: 3390
Folio: 45
Page Number: 34
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Hallis 60
Mary A Hallis 55
Edith Hallis 30
Mary Roberts 1

thanks I know everywhere my nana maisie lived but it,s charlotte who,s shrouded in mystery
in 1901 nana was listed as may Roberts (transcribed in print as Mary) By 1911 census has Maisie Hallis adopted by samuel +mary and she certainly used Hallis at school and work
her marriage certificate to edward Jones doesn,t list her fatherand she,s down as Maisie fellman Roberts otherwise known as Maisie Hallis
don,t know when adoptions became legal

1901 this one then?

RG number: RG13
Piece: 3390
Book: 45
Page: 34
Reg. District: Birkenhead
Sub District: Birkenhead
Parish: Birkenhead
Enum. District: 16
Ecclesiastical District: Holy Trinity
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 5, Fox Street, Birkenhead
County: Cheshire
HALLIS, Samuel Head Married M 60 1841 Tailor
Liverpool
Lancashire
HALLIS, Mary A Wife Married F 55 1846
Liverpool
Lancashire
HALLIS, Edith Daughter Single F 30 1871
Birkenhead
Cheshire
ROBERTS, Mary Boarder F 1 1900
Birkenhead
Cheshire

The saddest part of this story is that as an adult Maisie did track her birth mum (without a team of internet helpers)who wrote back for her not to contact her again as she was married and her son was in a "respectable "profession. My aunt found this letter after her death but decided to throw it away so we don,t know the details . But maybe as they all lived so close another family member told her who her birth mother was and where to find her :-(

1891 census transcription details for: 93, Pimblett Street, Cheetham, Manchester
Print Close
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 3262
Book: 107
Page: 64
Reg. District: Prestwich
Sub District: Cheetham
Parish: Cheetham
Enum. District: 6
Ecclesiastical District: St Albans & St Johns
City/Municipal Borough: Manchester
Address: 93, Pimblett Street, Cheetham, Manchester
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
BRODIE, Jessie Head Widow F 44 1847 Provision Dealer
Russia
BRODIE, Bessie Daughter Single F 20 1871 Cap Maker
Russia
BRODIE, Salley Daughter F 11 1880 Scholar
Manchester
BRODIE, Henrietta Daughter F 7 1884 Scholar
Manchester
FELLMAN, George Boarder Single M 21 1870 Living On Means
Russia
FELLMAN, Mendal Boarder Married F 40 1851 Living On Means
Russia

shirley My mum could have done with you lot in 1988 when she started looking for all these records I,ve looked for Mendal Fellman George,s mother ?too but maybe she,d remarried or died by 1901 . Does anyone know what "Living on means " indicates as proffesion here; some kind of benefits (I know Jewish societies did organise relief for the poor)or had they come to GB with personal riches

From new thread:

Hi still looking for what happened to them accidently pressed "answered" to one section that had answered a question for me . so please go back to latest comments on that site if you,re still interested in helping .

I.m going to ASK MY MUM HOW SHE,S SURE IT,S THE RIGHT cHARLOTTE ROBERTS without any more details on birth certificate
But was told to find father it was common around 1900 for mother,s to add father,s surname as a middle name ,and fellman is more like a surname than a 1st name

Have explained to come back and continue on here.

Hi Alison, I'm afraid GR Rules are one thread per family. It's for very good reasons, mainly that research doesn't get duplicated on the different threads, and also it helps us enormously if all of the info is in one place (we have all the background info and can cross-reference, etc).

I'll copy the info over again from that other thread then please go back and delete it.

(Don't worry - we'll get there!) :-)

From the other thread:

George Fellman
Hi still looking for what happened to him - on Maisie,s birth certificate Fellman is middle name. Roberts is her mother,Charlotte,s surname

But was told to find father it was common around 1900 for mother,s to add father,s surname as a middle name ,and fellman is more like a surname than a 1st name
Sorry still finding my way round this site and the typewriter
now seperate thread for george jacob fellman born 1870 in russia mother mendel roberts lived manchester 1891
birkenhead 1901 but where did he go ?