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MarieCeleste Report 18 May 2012 20:30

It's just that census relating to George is already on here :-)


Choccy Report 18 May 2012 20:31


Deaths Mar 1924 (>99%)

Fellman George 52 Bridgend 11a 1127


Alisoun Report 18 May 2012 20:36

I thought people would stop looking when i accidently pressed the answered button .Thanks Choccy that,s the only candidate I,ve got so far
is that his age at death or address ?


Sue Report 18 May 2012 20:46

Hi, Menai street was close to Birkenhead Maternity Hospital (The Grange) on Grange Mount, Birkenhead...not particularly an unmarried mothers hospital so I would guess your ancestor was born at home in 1 Menai Street.


Alisoun Report 19 May 2012 00:21

My mother found George Fellman in Gores directory listed as a Tailor maybe if he died in Bridgend he,d be in their local trade directories too


jax Report 19 May 2012 01:01

1901 census - address transcription
Address: 29, Edgar Street, Birkenhead


208 ROBERTS, John Head Widower M 49 1852 Iron Boring Machinist
Cheshire VIEW
208 ROBERTS, Mary Daughter Single F 23 1878
Cheshire VIEW


jax Report 19 May 2012 01:07

1891 census
Printer friendly version Report transcription change Search criteria used
Person: ROBERTS, John
Address: 26, Moon Street, Birkenhead

ROBERTS, John Head Married M 39 1852 Borer For Engineer
Cheshire VIEW
ROBERTS, Caroline Wife Married F 31 1860
Cheshire VIEW
ROBERTS, Mary Daughter F 13 1878 Apprentice Dressmaker
Cheshire VIEW
ROBERTS, Charlotte Daughter F 9 1882 Scholar
Cheshire VIEW


Alisoun Report 19 May 2012 01:13

goodness then either Charlotte is related in a distant way or I,ve been looking at the wrong Roberts family . I suppose ill have to look them up in earlier census,s


Alisoun Report 19 May 2012 01:20

It makes more sense that a 17 year old would have an illigitamate baby than a 24 year old but how am i going to break it to my mum that all her research was wrong ,she even went to all the houses the family lived in and traced ancestors to Anglesey and went there . so what were this family doing in 1911 :-S


jax Report 19 May 2012 01:21

Looks like you are following the wrong Charlotte

maybe this one?

Births Jun 1881 (>99%)

ROBERTS Charlotte Birkenhead 8a 518



Alisoun Report 19 May 2012 01:28

is she a baby on 1881 census or not born ?who was with her dad or sis in 1911
Mum will get over it if we find what happened to her in the end ;-)


jax Report 19 May 2012 01:29

1881 England Census
about John Roberts Name: John Roberts
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Caroline Roberts
Gender: Male
Where born: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Birkenhead
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address: 27 Greenfield St
Condition as to marriage: Married

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Driller In Ship Yard

Registration district: Birkenhead
Sub-registration district: Birkenhead
John Roberts 29
Caroline Roberts 22
Mary Roberts 3


jax Report 19 May 2012 01:47

Mary may have married, her father may have died by 1911.

The only marriage for a Charlotte Roberts in Birkenhead was in 1913,,,she may have married earlier and out of the area?


Alisoun Report 19 May 2012 01:51

well greenfield st ,is where charlottes daughter maisie lived from at least 1911 to 1924 at no.3 then no 1
so that,s an interesting coincidence ;we.ll probably have a family trip to birkenhead to find out more .


Alisoun Report 19 May 2012 01:57

the rumour is that she moved away from birkenhead. so is this now a dead end ?
I edited my original post ,someone advised me to nudge a thread to keep it lively
apologies to all those who sent details of Charlotte born 1877


SylviaInCanada Report 19 May 2012 05:08


taken from the Parish Register

Birkenhead Charlotte's baptism

"England, Cheshire Parish Registers, 1538-2000," Charlotte Roberts, 1881

Name: Charlotte Roberts
Event: Christening
Event Date: 03 Jul 1881
Event Place: St. Peter, Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
Gender: Female
Marital Status:
Father: John Roberts
Mother: Caroline
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Father:
Spouse's Mother:
Film Number: 2104221
Digital Folder Number: 4018966
Image Number: 1024



SylviaInCanada Report 19 May 2012 05:15

This was a lucky find!! The first John Roberts I looked at!!!

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1861-1941 about John Roberts

Name: John Roberts
Probate Date: 22 Jul 1908
Death Date: 4 Jul 1908
Death Place: Birkenhead, Merseyside, England
Registry: Cheshire

from image:-

John Roberts of 29 Edgar Street, Birkenhead, fitter, died 4 July 1908 at the Union Infirmary, Birkenhead. Administration [granted] Chester 22 July 1908 to Mary Irvine (wife of Isaac Irvine). Effects £313 15s 10d

so we know from that that he died in 1908 ..... hence not on the 1911 Census

Daughter Mary seems to have married Isaac Irvine

Union Infirmary was probably the Infirmary section of the Union Workhouse, Birkenhead ....................... not that he was in the workhouse, but the infirmary part was often the only place for an ordinary person to get medical help.

It is possible to buy a copy of the will to find out how he had left his money and effects.



Alisoun Report 19 May 2012 05:22

Thanks so much Sylviahaving christening date will help me eliminate some of the many possible charlotte roberts i.ll come across .

after giving birth at 1 menai st dec 1899 I wonder if she stayed there with her baby before putting her to Board at fox st in 1901.
how could she afford to pay to have her baby boarded?
She wasn,t back with her father and sister at edgar st

There was a john Roberts resident at No 5 fox st in 1906 but was he still there on 1911?
The plot thickens


SylviaInCanada Report 19 May 2012 05:24

Marriages Jun 1908 (>99%)

IRVINE Isaac Liverpool 8b 113
Roberts Mary Liverpool 8b 113

Liverpool, Lancashire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921 about Mary Roberts

Name: Mary Roberts
Birth Year: abt 1879
Age: 29
Marriage Date: 31 May 1908
Parish: Liverpool St Nicholas
Spouse's Name: Isaac Irvine
Father's Name: John Roberts
Spouse Father's Name: John Irvine

from image:-

Address:- Casey Street
Father occupation:- Engineer

Age:- 28
Address:- Casey Street
Occupation:- Ship-Builder
Father Occupation:- Engineer (deceased)

Witnesses:- James Burgess and Margaret Burgess

Note brides and grooms often gave the same address if they lived in different parishes .......... it saved having to pay for 2 lots of Banns being called!



SylviaInCanada Report 19 May 2012 05:32


Isaac and Mary in 1911???

1911 Census

Name: Isaac Irvine
Age in 1911: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Neeton, Cheshire, England <<<<<<< Neston on image
Civil parish: Birkenhead
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street Address: 35 Mossley Rd Tranmere Birkenhead
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Boiler Maker
Registration district: Birkenhead

Isaac Irvine 30 Boiler Maker, Shipbuilding & Engineering Industry
Mary Irvine 32 1879, Birkenhead, Cheshire
Alexander Irvine 1 1910, Birkenhead

Married 3 years

1 child born, 1 child still living