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jax

jax Report 19 May 2012 19:55

No that is not your Charlotte

1911 census
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Person: PRESCOTT, Charlotte
Address: 34 West St Widnes

PRESCOTT, William Head Married M 35 1876 General Labourer Earlestown Lancashire VIEW
PRESCOTT, Charlotte Wife Married9 years F 42 1869 Shotton Flintshire VIEW
ROBERTS, Edward Stepson Single M 20 1891 General Labourer Widnes Lancashire VIEW
ROBERTS, George David Stepson Single M 19 1892 Sheet Metal Worker Widnes Lancashire VIEW
PRESCOTT, John Son M 14 1897 General Labourer Widnes Lancashire VIEW
PRESCOTT, Mary E Daughter F 12 1899 School Widnes Lancashire VIEW
PRESCOTT, Alfred Stepson M 12 1899 School Widnes Lancashire VIEW
PRESCOTT, Esther Daughter F 7 1904 School Widnes Lancashire VIEW


Marriages Sep 1902 (>99%)
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Prescott William Prescot 8b 1246
Roberts Charlotte Prescot 8b 1246

jax

jax Report 19 May 2012 20:02

I spent many hours last night looking for possble marriages or any charlottes born Birkenhead 1881/82 and not coming up with anything

Maybe you should get a copy of her fathers will to see if she was mentioned in it

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 19 May 2012 20:09

yes we,re going to do that . great minds think alike
i,m costantly editing original post as we get nearer solving mystery

have taken off Prescot ref and added exact birtday from baptism records
we,ll look at record office when we go to cheshire maybe in Aug.
Why were you up all night too? . ps I love your photo is it you?

jax

jax Report 19 May 2012 20:19

It is not a good idea to keep editing and changing everything as it makes the thread difficult to follow....you should just add the extra details.

Could there be a chance that she actually left the country after Maisies birth?

I am always up to all hours these days...yes it is me when I was about 3 I think

jax

jax Report 19 May 2012 20:28

Unless her father disowned her his estate would have been worth approx £20,000 in todays money so she may well have got a share

Edit - when you look at what the average wage was back then approx £1 - £2 a week that was a lot of money, it does'nt really make sense with the conversion but you could probably buy a house with that money back then

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 19 May 2012 21:46

.what if she couldn, trace her own sister she may have had to wait to legally inherit
my grandma Maisie did find Charlotte as an adult though whether before she married1924 ,after she,d had kids of her own 1934 ,or after adoption laws changed in 1973 we don,t know
,she could have stayed legally sg and just called herself married which would explain why she was so scared of being traced and losing her 'respectable' veneer

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 19 May 2012 21:59

where to find more clues;
1 I,m going to look at deaths fro Charlotte Roberts in case she kept her maiden name on official docus
2) would her baptism document name godparents ? we need to find if there,s a connection with the Hallis family who boarded her adopted baby ,All the young ladies in those streets seemed to be dressmakers and drapers assistants maybe a work connection
3) ask the kind man with the aunty lucy cookson link if he'd mind looking at John roberts' will when he goes to record office on thurs
The suspense is killing me .

jax

jax Report 19 May 2012 22:04

It is all "What ifs" You do not know what happened with this family only what your grandmother could tell you. There was no legal adoption until about 1927 so Maisie was just probably taken in by a friend or relative of the family.

Unless a charlotte can be found that matches her birth details, I think this has come to a dead end.

Your only real hope of perhaps finding a name for her is by obtaining her fathers will

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 20 May 2012 02:38

don,t forget people power it only takes 1 of the "respectable"charlotte roberts connections from search trees to come up trumps with a marriage that they can connect to birthdate1881 +place birkenhead .
I,ve left 10 messages since 16th may with hopefuls although a few didn,t know exact birth year or place and my early requests were for wrong Charlotte , 4 messages are unopened some may only visit site weekly or have stopped using it .

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 20 May 2012 12:14

This is Heather, Mother of A;isoun and daughter of Maisie, granddaughter of Charlotte. It's lovely to see all the results of everyone's hard work. Many thanks

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 19 Oct 2012 14:33

I now have baptism details for Maisie march 1900 .She is listed as maisie myriam roberts there.Her mother is called Lottie roberts on that record and listed as lving at Elgin st (no Number) so that is new leads to follow.

jax

jax Report 19 Oct 2012 15:19

So at least it confirms the correct Charlotte

Did you get a copy of her fathers will in the end?

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 2 Nov 2012 14:09

I'd liketo find names of people living in Elgin street in 1901 census to see if any of Charlotte Roberts relatives put her up between the birth of baby Maisie in dec1899 and her baptism in march 1900 and before she boarded her out to the Hallis family in 1901 . Charlotte (Lottie)'s grandfather ,Nimrod Gardner lived in Oliver street just behind st john's church in Grange street where maisie was baptised . It's very useful to have an old map of Birkenhead but Elgin street is not on the one I have .

jax

jax Report 2 Nov 2012 14:52

If Charlotte could be found on the census it would have been posted.

There is not much point in looking through all the address's

Have you recieved a copy of her fathers will yet?

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 2 Nov 2012 18:34

Hi jax ; I posted my request on 4th Oct and they said up to 4 weeks .I've got some time off next week to do more research ,I know that Charlotte may have married by 1901 but thought it worth seeing if there were any other family connections in that street . If they put her +baby Maisie up for 3 months between birthDec 89 and baptism march 1900 they would probably still be there in 1901 census even if she wasn't . The previous generation had mostly stayed in Birkenhead and her sister was still there 10 years later ....I've only just started looking at the Gardners on her mother's side . It's just a possibility but I'd like to try every avenue...I found Elgin Street and its definitely in walking distance of her Grandad Nimrod's house that was my little success story for today .

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 4 Nov 2012 04:45

Jax thanks for pointing out my spelling mistake ,unforgivable really when people are being so helpful . I did look at the handwriting several times to see if Elgin was just a mistranscription of Edgar but finding Where Elgin street was on a 1909 map of birkenhead confirmed that that is where she must have been living after the birth ....she probably didn't go back to her father's house although it too is in walking distance

ChristinaS

ChristinaS Report 4 Nov 2012 13:18

I responded to your latest thread Alisoun, which has drawn my interest into this one. Please excuse me for stepping into months of research by others, but going back to the beginning here - does it give a house number for Egerton Street (where Charlotte was living in 1899)?

In 1901 there's a Roberts family living at no.77 Egerton Street, but there are so many Roberts families in the area. They may or may not be related.

Have you considered that the Charlotte Roberts who got married in Birkenhead in 1899 may have been the daughter of John and Caroline b.1882?

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 4 Nov 2012 13:58

christina pls feel free to step in any time
charlotte is the daughter of John and caroline
in 1899 she gave her address as 29 Edgar st (i think we did accidently research the egerton street family for a while )
but at Maisies baptism she gives her address as Elgin st
In 1901 John is still living at 29 Edgar st with sg daughter Mary aged 23
No sign of Charlotte in 1901

jax

jax Report 4 Nov 2012 13:59

Christina

I think it was Elgar street that she was living in 1899....but to be honest I'm pretty lost now :-D

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 4 Nov 2012 14:18

jax we must have posted at same time
No it was 29 Edgar st in 1899 (the other was a misspelling )
and Elgin st (no Number ) in march 1900