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jax

jax Report 2 Nov 2012 14:52

If Charlotte could be found on the census it would have been posted.

There is not much point in looking through all the address's

Have you recieved a copy of her fathers will yet?

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 2 Nov 2012 18:34

Hi jax ; I posted my request on 4th Oct and they said up to 4 weeks .I've got some time off next week to do more research ,I know that Charlotte may have married by 1901 but thought it worth seeing if there were any other family connections in that street . If they put her +baby Maisie up for 3 months between birthDec 89 and baptism march 1900 they would probably still be there in 1901 census even if she wasn't . The previous generation had mostly stayed in Birkenhead and her sister was still there 10 years later ....I've only just started looking at the Gardners on her mother's side . It's just a possibility but I'd like to try every avenue...I found Elgin Street and its definitely in walking distance of her Grandad Nimrod's house that was my little success story for today .

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 4 Nov 2012 04:45

Jax thanks for pointing out my spelling mistake ,unforgivable really when people are being so helpful . I did look at the handwriting several times to see if Elgin was just a mistranscription of Edgar but finding Where Elgin street was on a 1909 map of birkenhead confirmed that that is where she must have been living after the birth ....she probably didn't go back to her father's house although it too is in walking distance

ChristinaS

ChristinaS Report 4 Nov 2012 13:18

I responded to your latest thread Alisoun, which has drawn my interest into this one. Please excuse me for stepping into months of research by others, but going back to the beginning here - does it give a house number for Egerton Street (where Charlotte was living in 1899)?

In 1901 there's a Roberts family living at no.77 Egerton Street, but there are so many Roberts families in the area. They may or may not be related.

Have you considered that the Charlotte Roberts who got married in Birkenhead in 1899 may have been the daughter of John and Caroline b.1882?

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 4 Nov 2012 13:58

christina pls feel free to step in any time.which thread drew you in ?i can't see your contribution
charlotte is the daughter of John and caroline
in 1899 she gave her address as 29 Edgar st (i think we did accidently research the egerton street family for a while )
but at maisies baptism she gives her address as Elgin st
In 1901 John is still living at 29Edgar st with sg daughter Mary aged 23
No sign of Charlotte in 1901

jax

jax Report 4 Nov 2012 13:59

Christina

I think it was Elgar street that she was living in 1899....but to be honest I'm pretty lost now :-D

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 4 Nov 2012 14:18

jax we must have posted at same time
No it was 29 Edgar st in 1899 (the other was a misspelling )
and Elgin st (no Number ) in march 1900

ChristinaS

ChristinaS Report 4 Nov 2012 15:11

Okay, thanks - that makes more sense to me now.

I came in on the thread searching for families living in Elgin Street

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 4 Nov 2012 15:37

oh were any of your ancestors there in 1900 /1901

jax

jax Report 4 Nov 2012 15:57

I see you have now changed the address from Elgar street to Elgin Street on the baptism post

Could you please stop editing the thread as it is getting hard to follow

Are you sure this is the address or could the vicar have miss heard what was said?

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 4 Nov 2012 16:19

it was never Elgar St the birth address was Edgar st i know it's confusing I was editing to try and make it clearer sorry
I don't know how likely she was to take the illegitimate baby back to her fathers house before putting her out to board . More likely to be a different street and correctly written as Elgin even in 1901 she hadn't returned to her father's house . Both streets exist in Birkenhead as do others beginning with E .

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 3 Mar 2013 15:23

July 1908 John Roberts died intestate so we didn't get a will ,but we did obtain the letter of administration which left his daughter Mary Irvine the rights to administer his estate ; This letter states that she is ONE of his next of kin unfortunately not directly naming his other daughter Charlotte . So we don't know if she was married by then or where she was living.

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 7 Mar 2013 22:28

a 9YEAR OLD DRESSMAKER ?
I found a kelly's trade directory on line for liverpool 1900 and laboriously went through pages looking under costumier ,dressmaker s draper's + tailors
looking for Fellman .Hollis and Charlotte Roberts

I found a Charlotte Robertson dressmaker b1891
which i dismissed due to name difference + 10 year age gap
but realised after that it was unlikely that a 9 year old would be in a trade's directory
Wheras a 19year old who'd just boarded out her baby could well be

stupidly I haven't saved ref how to get back on to that site so I can double check

and I forgot to look under
shirtmakers .

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 9 Mar 2013 22:07

2 potential Charlotte Roberts in ormskirk *b1876

no father given on the info given

Lottie Roberts b.appt 1884 father John Roberts married \william Coates 10th nov 1910
Harrogate St lukes Yorkshire

This is the 1st docu i'll send for I'm giving my mum a grandma for mother's day ;told her already but if it's wrong we'll send for the 2 Ormskirk ones

I've been inspired by the Richard 3rd king in car park search they to used facts probabilities ,historical records with a couple of lucky hunches ( I e first dig of the potentials spot a direct find )
Lottie is my king Richard, mum spent years looking at the wrong charlotte ;then I didn't dig out this Lottie til a baptism cert for nana . I nearly missed cos of her cahnge from charlotte to lottie and baby maisie's middle name from fellman to Myriam
My search of 1901 + 1911 didn't reveal this Charlotte cos I'd limited age discrepencies to + or - 2 and this one is 3 years younger (poss to impress the younger husband ! well some speculation can also throw up ideas !

good luck out there all with your long -lost relatives hope they don't turn up under your council car park

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 3 Apr 2013 21:40

All those 3 charlotte Roberts were red herrings .
I need a new lead or different angle on this story ;
lookinf for mum's granddad Fellman is going to be even more difficult and will be speculation unless we do a DNA test .

ChristinaS

ChristinaS Report 4 Apr 2013 15:44

Alisoun,
Just a possibility - have you looked for the local court records for the time when Maisie was born? It's possible that Charlotte tried to claim some form of maintenance money from the father.

ChristinaS

ChristinaS Report 4 Apr 2013 22:08

Unfortunately they're not online.

If the records still exist, they should be held at the Wirral Archives. If you want to ring them to find out, the telephone number is: 0151 606 2929

Good luck.

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 5 Apr 2013 11:13

Thank you Christina .
Birkenhead records office were really friendly and helpful and are looking up to see if there was a court case for Charlotte Roberts vs Mr. Fellman

ChristinaS

ChristinaS Report 5 Apr 2013 12:09

Fingers crossed :-)

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 18 Apr 2013 17:50

Birkenhead Offices found a court order for the maintenance of Charlotte Roberts child ....a George Jacob Fellman was ordered to pay 4shillings a week until Maisie Fellman Roberts was 14 years of age ; so my mother finally has a name for her Grandfather and we know his mother was called Mendel .. There is also a medical payment and a mysterious payment ;sending off for the original document ..it's so exciting .