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Mike - but you can find a Thomas and Jane MAria together..I couldn't find Thomas with Louisa?

Could "Whiteley" be a middle name?

Jude

The earlier posted marriage may be misleading... there are 2 other parties so maybe it was a double wedding rather than an inter-marriage !
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Marriages Sep 1886

Harpham Jane Maria - Brighton 2b 392
Harpham Thomas - Brighton 2b 392
SPRAGUE Edwin - Brighton 2b 392
TELLICK Louisa - Brighton 2b 392

This tree may or may not be proved but posting it for you to think about.

She woudn't be the first to lie about being a spinster. My Gt grandmother did, and married for the 2nd time under her maiden name


Ellen whiteley/Harpham

Birth 1843 in Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England
Death Apr 1896 in Nottinghamshire, United Kingdom


Parents
James Harpham
Elizabeth -1811

1860
Age: 17 - Marriage to Joseph Harpham. Worksop,
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children of Joseph and Ellen :

Thomas Harpham 1858 –
Jane Maria Harpham 1860 – 1931
Ann Harpham 1862 –
John H Harpham 1864 – 1910
Emily Harpham 1866 -

1870 Dec
Age: 27 - Marriage to Charles Marrison
Worksop, Nottinghamshire
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children of Charles and Ellen :

Annie Marrison 1872 –
George Marrison 1874 – 1956
William Marrison 1876 – 1905
Thomas Marrison 1878 –
Mary Marrison 1880 –
Joseph Marrison 1882 –
Henry Marrison 1883 -

Hello Ive started with Edmond Bland b 1932 Wakefield his mother was Dorothy Humphries Marrison 1909/1996 Her father was George Marrison 1874/1956 his father was Charles marrison 1841 married to Ellen Harpham

Lexie - you seem to be speculating and working down the tree. The ONLY way is to start with a hard and fast relative and work up the tree.

So...who have you/your sister-in-law STARTED with?

Hello all Obtained marriage cert for Ellen Harpham and Charles marrison but dont seem to get any further forward.Ellen Harpham 27 Spinster father James Harpham Labourer Witnesses Annie Marrison and Henry Spencer married December 1870 .All parties living Worksop married Abbey Church.So that makes it sound tas if Ellen wasnt a Whiteley.Children on 1871 Census John H Emma and Ann given as step children of Charles Marrison so they must be children of Ellen and born out of Wedlock.Cant find Ellen and father James with mother Elizabeth only Ellen and Elizabeth in 1861.Cant find a death for a James Harpham either he must have died before 1861 as Elizabeth is a widow.Can any body help.Thank you

If you could explain who you're looking for............it might be possible to help you

Just give the factual info about them..............don't muddy the waters by introducing speculation

You will need to check the ER for the period.......either at the main library for the area, or the County Records Office

Thank you all very much a couple of certs will have to be bought.I am doing this tree for my sister in law.Does anybody know how you find out who lived at an address at a certain time.I have a Gertrude Harpham daughter of John H son of Ellen living at 7 George St Worksop in 1911.In 1927 i have a Arthur T Harpham son of Thomas and jane returning with his wife and family from South Africa to 14 George St worksop.I just wondered who was the house holder at the time.

name: Thomas Harpham
event: Census
event date: 31 Mar 1901
gender: Male
age: 42
relationship to head of household: Head
birthplace: Worksop, Nottinghamshire
registration district: Worksop
sub-district: Worksop
ecclesiastical parish: St Mary & St Cuthbert
civil parish: Worksop
county: Nottinghamshire


name: Jane M Harpham
event: Census
event date: 31 Mar 1901
gender: Female
age: 41
relationship to head of household: Wife
birthplace: Worksop, Nottinghamshire
record type: Household
registration district: Worksop
sub-district: Worksop
ecclesiastical parish: St Mary & St Cuthbert
civil parish: Worksop
county: Nottinghamshire
Nottinghamshire, England


Don't have the details of anyone else in the household sorry

Yes, sorry, I should have said "interested in" not " related to"

Mike*

None of these is people Lexie's line..................it isn't her family

Mike I think the Jane in the 1861 census is 1 not 7....she comes after Thomas and normally they go down in age?

I posted the two births above and I really think they could be the two who marry in 1886!

I can find Jane 1861 right through to 1911 if the married Jane is her..can't find Thomas in 1881

Lexie...IF Ellen was married to a Harpham why is she shown as a daughter and unmarried in 1861?

Jude

I take it that Joseph is your line, or is it Jane and Thomas you are related to ?

".I want to find siblings of Joseph Harpham to trace Thomas and Janes parents."

Sorry, but your latest post has left me very confused...............

PLEASE just say WHO you are researching..........and give some proven facts about that person

1871 England Census

Name: Charles Morrison
[User-submitted-comment]
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen Morrison
Gender: Male
Where born: Blyth, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil parish: Worksop
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Worksop
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Registration district: Worksop
Sub-registration district: Worksop
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 120
Piece: 3459
Folio: 74
Page Number: 24
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Morrison 29
Ellen Morrison 28
Ann Harpham 9
John H Harpham 7
Emily Harpham 5
Thomas Harpham 13 Nephew

Guesswork is dangerous ground.

Birth cert is the way to be sure.


Births Dec 1858
HARPHAM Thomas Harpham Baxter - Worksop 7b 25


Not seeing a birth for Jane in the name of Harpham

(Jane Maria born in 1860 is 6 years out)

Advise the person whose tree it is to buy the 1870 marriage cert

You can't, in any case, rely on trees on Ancestry........many of them are complete fiction

I started looking at Ellen another way after finding a tree on ancestry.The tree had a Elllen Whiteley married to a joseph Harpham about 1860.I looked this up and found marriage for 1860.When Ellen married Charles marrison on the 1871 census ther are three children Ann Harpham b 1862 Emily Harpham b 1866 and a John H Harpham b 1864 given as step children to Charles marrison so Ellen must have been married to a Harpham unless all children born out of wedlock.Dont know anything about parents for Ellen.I want to find siblings of Joseph Harpham to trace Thomas and Janes parents.The search as brought me to this a Thomas Harpham married a Jane Harpham both from worksop in 1877 in Brighton they had two children then moved back to Worksop and had another son.Is this the same Thomas and Jane .I know the way to go is Certs but this is not my tree so had hoped to trace siblings of Joseph another way.Thank you for your help

ooerr..I can't find a death that fits Jane the grandaughter...I hope that Jane Maria the wife of Thomas is not Jane a grandaughter with Thomas being grandson!! Suppose they could be cousins?

:-S