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Sarah

Sarah Report 22 Mar 2013 13:33

I've been looking on them too but couldn't find anything - annoying that there's a gap during the war.

jansmith

jansmith Report 22 Mar 2013 13:10

tried to find them in electoral rolls but no luck at those addresses

Sarah

Sarah Report 22 Mar 2013 12:07

Yay! RAF records have arrived at last although not a huge amount to go on. He enlisted in 1940 and was released in 1947. He was in 904 Suadron and later 461 Squadron and was an Aircraft Hand, occupation before the war was a Radio Service Engineer. Looks like he was stationed in UK only at Uxbridge, Aldershot, Pembrokeshire, Headley Down and Silchester. His address was 6 Alwyne Place, Islington, London and listed his next of kin as Mrs Mary Taylor (friend) of 20 St Mary's Grove, Islington. I checked google maps and the two roads run in to each other. George went AWOL on six occasions from what I could see and was under suspension too. He also received one years imprisonment with hard labour in 1946 presumably for being AWOL but I'm not sure. After coming out in 1947, he went in to the reserves until 1954. It lists him as single, no address updates or change in next of kin or anything. Says he was born in Vauxhall which is different to what we had thought - we thought he was born Islington.

So, I suppose I need to find out who this Mary Taylor was, why he was imprisoned and whether the Vauxhall place of birth sheds any new light on things.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Does anyone know whether there are records relating to military imprisonment that can be obtained? Thanks in advance.

Sarah

Sarah Report 9 Nov 2012 19:25

Yes that is the family. Elizabeth is stated as being born Brighton in 1869 on the 1911, in 1901 born Brighton in 1860, 1891 born Brighton in 1861 (living with sister in 1891, 1901 and 1911). The 1871 census with her living at home states born Islington 1863. Her death certificate states she was 82 when she died in 1946 which makes her year of birth 1864. I found a birth record for an Elizabeth Dean in Islington in 1863. Not sure why she would have listed Brighton as her place of birth other than the possible connection to the Drury's of Brighton. It is definitely her though.

Elizabeth was a witness at her younger brother Henry Faulkner Dean's wedding in 1890 and she is listed as a Drury.

I have the marriage certificate for Henry James Dean and Sarah Faulkner from Ancestry. We knew there was a Faulkner connection but we didn't know where so pleased to have found that at last.

Annoyingly, I have been able to find out information about Elizabeth and her family but still unable to work out what happened between her and George Drury and how they ended up bringing up my step grandfather George Henry Drury. I was hoping if I could find Elizabeth in 1881 census it might have shed a bit more light too.

I still think the most likely scenario is that Elizabeth was seeing George Drury but they never married - if it was the George Frederick Drury of Brighton that she was seeing, then he was still married so that would explain why they couldn't. No sign of them living together though. As I said in an earlier post, Elizabeth lived later in life with a Henry Richard Drury and the George Frederick Drury in Brighton had a brother Henry Richard Drury so I think that this is looking more likely.

patchem

patchem Report 9 Nov 2012 18:38

So Elizabeth out with birth year as compared to 1911?
1871 England Census
Henry Dean Age: 39 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Dean
Gender: Male Where born: St Pancras, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Islington St Mary Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Islington Sub-registration district: Islington East
ED, institution, or vessel: 77 Household schedule number: 266 Piece: 307 Folio: 26 Page Number: 50
Henry Dean 39
Sarah Dean 44
Ellen C Dean 18
Emma E Dean 12
Elizaeth Dean 8
Sarah D Dean 6
Henry F Dean 5
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 307; Folio: 26; Page: 50; GSU roll: 818889.

patchem

patchem Report 9 Nov 2012 18:32

So, just to confirm, is this the family?
1861 England Census
Henry J Dean Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah Dean
Gender: Male Where born: Islington, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Islington St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul County/Island: Middlesex Country: England
Registration district: Islington Sub-registration district: Islington East
ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Household schedule number: 116 Piece: 140 Folio: 43 Page Number: 17
Henry J Dean 30 brickmaker
Sarah Dean 35
Ellen Dean 8
Catherine Dean 6
Emma Dean 2mo (?)
Source Citation: Class: RG 9; Piece: 140; Folio: 43; Page: 17; GSU roll: 542580.

jansmith

jansmith Report 9 Nov 2012 13:33

where did you get her mothers name from?

jansmith

jansmith Report 9 Nov 2012 13:23

so is this mothers marriage?
Marriages Sep 1850
BRAY Sarah Hackney 3 188
Cocks Emily Ann Hackney 3 188
Dean Henry James Hackney 3 188 *********
Faulkner Sarah Hackney 3 188 *********
Hudswell John Hackney 3 188
Millen Edward Hackney 3 188
Pettey Jane Hackney 3 188
Simmons James Hackney 3 188

Sarah

Sarah Report 8 Nov 2012 19:04

Yes Elizabeth's sister is living with her husband and son in South Hornsey in 1881 - no mention of Elizabeth though. Also I've found their parents in 1881 and she isn't listed then either.

patchem

patchem Report 8 Nov 2012 18:12

Have you found the sister and son in 1881?

Sarah

Sarah Report 8 Nov 2012 10:04

Have had a break on this at last! Managed to find that Elizabeth Drurys maiden name was Dean and shows up on 1911 census as follows:

1911 England Census about Elizabeth Dury
Name: Elizabeth Dury [Elizabeth Drury]
Age in 1911: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Brighton, Sussex, England
Civil parish: Islington
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 2 William Street, Islington
Marital Status: Married
Years married: 10
Estimated Marriage Year: 1901
Occupation: DRESSMAKER
Registration district: Islington
Registration District Number: 10
Sub-registration district: Islington South East
ED, institution, or vessel: 54
Piece: 956
Household Members:
Elizabeth Dury 42
Catherine Sarah Brown 55
Henry John Brown 30

The people she is living with are her sister and her son. It states that she married in 1901 but there is no Elizabeth Dean marrying a George Drury around that time so perhaps they weren't married. In the earlier census returns although she appears as Drury she states she is single just to confuse matters! She never appears on any of the census with another Drury either. My step grandfather always matained there was a Faulkner connection which I have now managed to find. Elizabeth Dean's mother was Sarah Faulkner.

So what I'm trying to locate now is the 1881 censu return for Elizabeth Dean - most census returns for her state she was from Brighton although she was born in Islington. I'm also trying to find a marriage for her to George Drury or perhaps she married before she married George. Any help would be much appraciated.

Sarah

Sarah Report 8 Sep 2012 18:35

That is strange!

After my mum's come back from her holiday, she's going to send off for George Henry Drury's RAF records to see what information that holds - we've now found his death certificate so we can send that off with it. Hopefully, it will show some next of kin details.

jansmith

jansmith Report 8 Sep 2012 11:55

interesting there is this death index for a 1yr old ? but i cannot find a birth index!

Name: DRURY, Richard J
Registration district: Epsom
County: Surrey
Year of registration: 1918
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death: 1
Volume no: 2A
Page no: 88

Sarah

Sarah Report 7 Sep 2012 15:35

Yes I think you're right rootsgatherer so that eliminates that one.I seem to be going around in circles on this one!

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 7 Sep 2012 12:10

This looks like the George Henry Drury who died in 1914. No children born to the marriage.

1911

Name: George Henery Drury
Age in 1911: 61
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: CLERKENWELL, England
Civil parish: Clerkenwell St James and Clerkenwell St John
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 9 Smith Street, Clerkenwell
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 34
Estimated Marriage Year: 1877
Occupation: WOODS CUTTER
Registration district: Holborn
Registration District Number: 14
Sub-registration district: Clerkenwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Piece: 1237
Household Members: Name Age
George Henery Drury 61
Dinah Drury 58

Sarah

Sarah Report 7 Sep 2012 11:36

Had an email back from them and it turns out that Elizabeth was buried in a communal grave rather than a family grave along with unrelated people. They couldn't find a George Drury buried there before 1946 either. Worth a shot though! Back to the drawing board!

jansmith

jansmith Report 5 Sep 2012 21:38

Thanks for the info Sarah as you say fingers crossed

Sarah

Sarah Report 5 Sep 2012 15:51

Have just emailed the cemetery to see if they can check if she was buried with anyone so fingers crossed!

Sarah

Sarah Report 5 Sep 2012 15:08

Thanks for that. Just purchased some credits and in addition to the information you provided jansmith here is what else was there:


Authority London Borough of Islington
Cemetery Islington Cemetery
Grave reference Z/17549

It does list quite a few other people but they were people all buried in 1946 and I would say are unrelated to her - all different surnames. I also looked at the scan of the burial register which states:

Elizabeth Drury
Abode: 284 Essex Road N1 Islington
Burial 28 Feb 1946
Age 82

There is also a burial recorded for a George Henry Drury 12 Mar 1914, aged 64 living at Holborn Infirmary, Islington - could be Elizabeth's husband - her death certificate states she was a widow and given my step grandfather was called George Henry - this is a possibility. - it would make him considerably older than her though

jansmith

jansmith Report 5 Sep 2012 14:32

below from this site
https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch you need credits to see info but i have never used it so not sure what you would find BUT she may have been buried with husband so you might find info about him or if you can go to the cemetery you may find more info on a headstone?
burial register summary
last name
Drury
first names
Elizabeth
burial date
28 Feb 1946
authority
London Borough Of Islington
location
Islington Cemetery (Islington)