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Missing marriage/death certificates.

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Archives Report 11 Mar 2013 17:15

Electoral Registers on a well known website for the Midlands are up to years 1955.

For Birmingham there is another pay to view website ( not a Family History website) Registers are up to year 1960 for Birmingham.

All online.


Archives Report 11 Mar 2013 16:59

Should you female relatives be missing from Electoral Register, remember

**Females were not allowed to vote until 1918 and had to be aged 30 years or over .
In 1928 this age was lowered to 21 years of age.
In 1969 the age was lowered to 18 years of age.

So Lynda Beatrice could be living with Mum.

**Exception made to some females who owned property of a certain value.


Reggie Report 10 Mar 2013 23:11

Nobody under the age of 21 was able to vote until 1969


Andrew Report 10 Mar 2013 22:41

The Midland Electoral Roles, where the info for the occupants of Tindal Road came from, aren't online for every ward for every year. So its possible that they where at the same address, but not available on line.



Mary Report 10 Mar 2013 20:07

I think the reason that Beatrice is not down with her mum in 1911-1927 as ladies aged 21 and under weren't able to vote until 1928.

Mind you that doesn't account for the years from 1927-1935 !!



Dorothy Report 10 Mar 2013 19:57

I was interested in the information that Sarah and Lynda Beatrice Waters were living at 65 Tindal Street in 1939 and both at the same address in 1935 with a Walter Scott.
In 1944 on her mother's funeral card she is calling herself Lynda Beatrice Scott. Could this mean she married/changed her name to Scott between 1935 and 1944?
Could Walter Scott be her partner? I can find no record that ties up!
As it is said Sarah Waters is on her own with James Lambourn in 1927, is it possible Lynda Beatrice married someone else between 1911and 1927 and reverted back to her maiden name? Not sure how I can begin to solve this mystery.


Mary Report 10 Mar 2013 19:51

Tindal Street and Woodford Road where Beatrice L Cogan was look as though they were quite near to each other.
So maybe purchasing that death cert might prove fruitful.

In the Teliphne book there was a B L Cogan registered at that address from 1960-1970 say could that have been when James Leslie Cogan died.



Mary Report 10 Mar 2013 12:04

The 1901 census for beatrice with the Smith family are correct.

George Amos Smith married eliza Pinfold.
Eliza Pinfold 1865 banbury oxford had sister sarah Pinfold 1867 banbury

Sarah Pinfold married William Gascoigne in Banbury 3a 1295 had Maria Gasciogne 1889.(on 1901 census)
Sarah Gascoigne married J/A/S 1897 in Banbury 3a 1897 to William Waters.

Maybe Sarah
1901 St lawrence berkshire D36 >4 Reg district Reading.
Sarah A waters a widow age 37 born Banbury cook/domestic



Andrew Report 10 Mar 2013 11:00

In 1939 both Sarah and Lynda Beatrice Waters are at 65 Tindal Street

Both at same address in 1935 with a Walter Scott

1927 Sarah on her own with James Lambourn.



Mavis Report 10 Mar 2013 09:36


Do you think this could be " Beatrice "

Lynda B Cogan died aged 62y in Birmingham Sep Q 1961 9c 372 born 1899 -- if yours would have been 63y in Dec so born 1898 --

National Probate Index

slight name change

Beatrice Lynda Cogan died 11th July 1961 wife of Leslie Cogan -Electrician of 72 Woodfield Road Birmingham £560 - 12sh

not found a marriage England / Wales

A death of a James Leslie Coggan [2 g's] 65y Birminham 1970 Dof B 15 Jan 1905

Birth of a Leslie Coggan Mar 1905 Ecclesall Bierlow [ next to Sheffield ] West Riding - could be in Sheffield 1911 - parents Arthur Richmond 36y and Lilian Alice 30y Coggan married under 1 y -- 2 children

A Leslie Cogan = Jessie Wells 1933

A Beatrice Waters = John Powell Dec 1919 Sheffield no saying if yours ??

Divorces cost money in them days so perhaps no one bothered

A copy of the death cert. and the Will might help could say if an artist



SylviaInCanada Report 10 Mar 2013 03:57


Babies were registered within 6 weeks of birth.

Thyewere then often baptised after that .................. and could well be given one or two more forenames

Birth certificates are usually not altered in those cases.

OR she could well just have liked the name Lynda ............... and decided to use.

Many pe9ople have examples of that in their trees.

OH's maternal grandfather adopted a second forename sometime between signing his apprenticeship papers at the age of 15 and marrying at about age 24. After about 1907, one never sees his name without the 2 names ..................... it could have been a means of distinguishing himself from all the other people in Wales with the same name!!


mgnv Report 10 Mar 2013 03:11

I looked on FreeBMD for births in Reading 1896-1901 for Beatrice (actually looked for Bea*) and there's only 2 with a surname anything like Waters:

Births Mar 1899 (>99%)
Waters Beatrice Reading 2c 336 [your lass]

Births Dec 1899 (>99%)
Waters Beatrice Maud Reading 2c 352

This agrees with the local index at
Berkshire Birth indexes for the years: 1899
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Reference
WATERS Beatrice M St Giles, Reading Reading STG/73/63
WATERS Beatrice St Mary, Reading Reading STM/59/93

Here's a 1901 search for these girls with pob=Reading

1901 England Census Transcription
Ecclesiastical District:ST MARY M C WITNEY
Municipal Ward:
Parliamentary Borough:MID
Registration District:WITNEY
Registration Sub-District: Witney
Enumeration District:10
Archive Reference:RG13 Piece Number:1396 Folio:5 Page:2

GEORGE A SMITH 1863 38 Witney, Oxfordshire HEAD M Blacksmith
ELIZA SMITH 1864 37 Banbury, Oxfordshire WIFE M
ANNIE SMITH 1884 17 Middleton Cheany, Northants DAUGHTER S Blanket Weaver
GEORGINA SMITH 1892 9 South Leigh, Oxfordshire DAUGHTER
DAISY SMITH 1894 7 South Leigh, Oxfordshire DAUGHTER
KATE SMITH 1897 4 Witney, Oxfordshire DAUGHTER
ELIZABETH SMITH 1901 0[8m] Witney, Oxfordshire DAUGHTER
MARIA GASCOIGNE 1889 12 Middleton Cheany, Northants NIECE
BEATRICE WALTERS 1899 2 Reading, Berks NIECE

1901 England Census Transcription
Ecclesiastical District:ST GEORGE TILEHURST
Municipal Ward:WEST
Parliamentary Borough:SOUTHERN OR NEWBURY
Registration District:READING
Registration Sub-District: St Mary
Enumeration District:18
Archive Reference:RG13 Piece Number:1146 Folio:65 Page:15

CHARLES WATERS 1858 43 Moulsford, Berks HEAD M Jobbing Gardener
ALICE WATERS 1861 40 Beenham, Berks WIFE M
ALBERT ERNEST WATERS 1887 14 Ufton, Berks SON S Biscuit Factory Packer


Dorothy Report 9 Mar 2013 21:03

Sorry - a typing error I meant Lynda. I notice on one of her paintings she signs herself Lynne.


brummiejan Report 9 Mar 2013 20:57

Do you mean Lydia or Linda?


Dorothy Report 9 Mar 2013 20:47

I have sent for Beatrice's birth certificate which confirms her date of birth as 6-12-1898. She was given the name Beatrice only. Don't know how she came to use Lydia. Still can not find any records that tie up. Am at a loss which avenue to go down next. Any ideas?


Dorothy Report 8 Jun 2012 13:20

Waters is sometimes spelt Walters and I have tried looking for a marriage in the Birmingham area and a subsequent marriage to a Scott. Nothing seems to tie up. I suppose there could have been other marriages.
My mother was from a generation where divorce was frowned upon. As Beatrice searched for my Grandmother for sometime and there was a period of her life when the family were not in touch anything is possible.


Dorothy Report 7 Jun 2012 21:13

I was under the impression Beatrice married Scott second but as my mother died a while ago I cannot confirm this.

Mike *

Mike * Report 7 Jun 2012 20:51

Did Beatrice marry Scott first or 2nd ?


MarieCeleste Report 7 Jun 2012 20:40

Can't see a death for a Lynda with birthdate 06 Dec 1898, but there are all of these:

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006

NAME: Beatrice Ada Balchin
BIRTH: 6 Dec 1898
DEATH: Jan 1985 - Bexley, Kent, England

NAME: Mabel Beatrice B Cramp
BIRTH: 6 Dec 1898
DEATH: Jun 1982 - Surrey Northern, Surrey, England

NAME: Ada Beatrice Dand
BIRTH: 6 Dec 1898
DEATH: Jun 1970 - Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England

NAME: Beatrice Hoyle
BIRTH: 6 Dec 1898
DEATH: Dec 1973 - Heywood, Lancashire, England

NAME: Beatrice Jones
BIRTH: 6 Dec 1898
DEATH: Jun 1980 - Stourbridge, West Midlands, England

NAME: Beatrice Agnes Jukes
BIRTH: 6 Dec 1898
DEATH: Jan 1995 - Walsall, Staffordshire, England

NAME: Beatrice May Morgan
BIRTH: 6 Dec 1898
DEATH: Jan 1988 - Merthyr Tydfil, Mid Glamorgan, Wales

NAME: Rosa Beatrice Penn
BIRTH: 6 Dec 1898
DEATH: Mar 1970 - Brixworth, Northamptonshire, England

NAME: Beatrice Salter
BIRTH: 6 Dec 1898
DEATH: Mar 1984 - Exeter, Devon, England

NAME: Ivy Beatrice A Smith
BIRTH: 6 Dec 1898
DEATH: Jan 1990 - Harrow, England and Wales

NAME: Beatrice Wade
BIRTH: 6 Dec 1898
DEATH: Dec 1977 - Colchester, Essex, England


MarieCeleste Report 7 Jun 2012 20:34

This gives us her date of birth:

England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

name: Beatrice Waters
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 02 Apr 1899
baptism/christening place: St. Marys, Reading, Berkshire, England
birth date: 06 Dec 1898
death date:
name note:
father's name: Willie Waters
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Sarah Waters
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C01410-0
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1040619
reference number: item 3 p 271

Source Citation
"England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," index, FamilySearch ( : accessed 7 June 2012), Beatrice Waters, 1898.