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Missing Rogers births - Info received

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Mother in law, who has a good memory, has been talking about her extended family, one of whom I’ve been having difficulties with, if someone could possibly help with?

It revolves around her great uncle, Ralph Rogers.

He was born 11 Apr 1884 North Weston Thame, Oxon (bap 2 Jul 1884 St Mary the Virgin, Thame)

He probably married 1906 2Q Aylesbury 3a 1657 to Emily Louisa Sulston.

In 1911, they were living at 43 Ashdown Road, Saffron Walden, Essex, occupation Builders' Plumber.

Ralph Rogers Age in 1911: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Weston, Oxfordshire, England
Civil parish: Saffron Walden
County/Island: Essex Country: England
Street Address: 43 Ashdon Rd, Saffron Walden, Essex
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Plumber Building
Registration district: Saffron Walden
Ralph Rogers
27
Emily Louise Rogers
27
No children at this point.

There first born was Ralph G Rogers.

Ralph G Rogers
Year of Registration: 1915
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Mother's Maiden Name: Sulston
District: Chesterton
County: Cambridgeshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 726

MiL remembers visiting when they lived in Winnersh, Berks, confirmed on British telecom directory 1935.

She says there were 2 other children, who’s birth reg seem to be AWOL born before 1924.
Betty who was old enough to be a WAAF in WW2, and Sydney/Sidney who was the ‘baby’ of the family, but again born before 1924 (she thinks). There was a considerable age gap between Ralph G and Sidney.

>>>>>>It’s these last 2 children as above whom I need help with. <<<<<<<

It’s possible that Ralph the father died

Ralph Rogers
Birth Date: abt 1884
Date of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1947
Age at Death: 63
Registration district: Reading
Inferred County: Berkshire
Volume: 6a
Page: 72

With a possible corresponding Probate entry
Ralph Rogers
Probate Date: 25 Nov 1947
Death Date: 28 Sep 1947
Death Place: Reading
Registry: Oxfordshire, England

Of Hungerford Drive, Reading to Elizabeth Jane Steel, spinster.

If this does relate to Ralph Rogers, her grt Uncle, I've no idea who the executor is.

Help!

Added 19 Aug 2012 - Am now in contact with close relatives of Sidney who is fillling in the details.

:-D

patchem

patchem Report 10 Jun 2012 09:16

Ralph (senior) is in another person's tree on here.
Presumably you have been in contact with them?

Added:
But they do not appear to have Emily, so probably no use.

Poolie Girl

Poolie Girl Report 10 Jun 2012 09:16

Possible birth for Betty
Births Mar 1920 (>99%)
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Rogers Betty Starnes Uxbridge 3a 108
Rogers Betty H Buckingham Kingston 2a 1157
>>Rogers Betty L Selston Wandsworth 1d 1550

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Thank you Poolie Girl - well done.

Patchem - I'll check that out..

Edit - there are 3 search tree results, all of whom I've been in contact at some point. I'll have to have a delve and see if I can access their trees.

2nd edit - none of them have anything other than the birth. :-0

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Looks like Betty was a twin:

Births Mar 1920
Rogers Betty L Selston Wandsworth 1d 1550
Rogers Joan T Selston Wandsworth 1d 1551

Rose

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Births Sep 1923
ROGERS Dulcie M E Selston W.Ham 4a 686

Births Mar 1925
Rogers Philip A Selston W.Ham 4a 666

Rose

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Think those births all belong to this couple:

Marriages Dec 1918
Rogers Albert P Selston Wandsworth 1d 1362
Selston Dulcie Rogers Wandsworth 1d 1362

Rose

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They have different entry numbers - wouldn't they be sequential if they were twins?

At least it is food for thought.

Thank you Rose.

Poolie Girl

Poolie Girl Report 10 Jun 2012 09:55

I'd consider the possibility that Betty and Sidney were 'adopted' children. If a relative died or was unable to cope their children could be integrated into remaining family. Explore any siblings of Ralph senior and Emily.

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More and more mysterious! It looks as if an analysis of the bank account might be in order.

Edit - I might ask for a search for 'Betty' with father's name Ralph. At least that ought to sort one out, then your suggestion of an amalgamated family is possible,

I'd wondered if the mysterious executor Elizabeth Jane Steel might be Betty

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Perhaps the others were adopted. It seems likely there were some fertility issues seeing as the first child was born 9 years after the marriage.

Rose

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That's certainly a possibility Rose. MiL would have been too young to know if they were adopted.

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Sorry,

Forgot to add it's been transcribed incorrectly on FreeBMD. It's 1551 on Ancestry.

Rose

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Have you looked at Ralph war records? Children might be mentioned.

Rose

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Did Ralph G even survive?

Births Jun 1915
Rogers Ralph G Sulston Chesterton 3b 726
Deaths Jun 1916
Rogers Ralph G 0 Kingston 2a 501

Can't see any other Ralph G births around then and no other deaths for the one born in 1915.

Rose

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I think I looked for WW1 records at some point, but couldn't find one. Its worth having another look.

There was also the ER just before and after WW2, but I couldn't track down where the Winnersh ones are held - its County and Constituancy borders which are the problem there.

At the moment I'm tossing up whether to ask for a search for Betty father Ralph, or order the 1947 Probate.

All the ideas are wonderful - thank you

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Perhaps I have the wrong Ralph birth? MiL certainly met him !

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Go for probate as Betty could be a nickname.

Rose

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That's true Rose, although why a different surname and a spinster? Are divorcees refered to as spinsters unless she was a friend?

There is only one way to find out - cough up £6 - lol.

Thank you

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 10 Jun 2012 10:29

Contact Winnersh library for the electoral rolls.

http://info.wokingham.gov.uk/kb5/wokingham/info/view.page?record=ZUAJHz8GKIU

Rose