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John was single in 1901 census, he appears to be married by 1911 as he has had 5 children, 4 still living in 1911, Lucy died in 1918.
So can anyone tell me when and where they married.
I have tried every sensible variant of both names but still cannot find it.
John was born in Galway, Ireland, 1867- 1871, Lucy b 1882, in Chasetown, Staffs,
The family was living near Lichfield, Staffs, Swinfen is given as the birthplace of all children up until 1911.
Please anyone! I have searched for a decade now.
Phil Wood.
Previously posted to the wrong message board! I know nowt Phil. :-S

There is a birth for Lucy Hollinshead on Staffs BMDs 1882, and as per yesterdays thead ( and thanks for PM Philip) there are also 3 children that Philip knows about after the 1911...all Mannion with mmn Hollinshead.

Not been able to find a marriage though.

Is this them?

1911 England Census about John Mannion
Name: John Mannion
Age in 1911: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Galway Resident, Ireland
Civil parish: Swinfen, Packington and Welford
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: Tamworth Road, Botany Bay, Swinfen Nr Lichfield
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Farm Labourer
Registration district: Lichfield
Registration District Number: 367
Sub-registration district: Lichfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Household schedule number: 53
Piece: 16881
Household Members:
Name Age
John Mannion 40
Lucy Mannion 29 Birth Place: Chasetown, Staffordshire
John Mannion 6 Birth Place: Swinfen, Staffordshire
George Mannion 5
Mary Mannion 3
Annie Mannion 1

5 children,4 living and 1 died
Years Married: 8

Possibly the child that died.

Deaths Dec 1903
Mannion Male - 0 - Lichfield 6b 294


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Are these her children ?

Births Dec 1914
MANNION Margaret - Hollinshead Lichfield 6b 858

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Births Dec 1916
Mannion William - Hollinshead Lichfield 6b 738

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Births Dec 1918
Mannion Lucy - Hollinshead Lichfield 6b 673

Lucy may have died as a result of childbirth

Deaths Dec 1918 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Mannion Lucy - 0 - Lichfield 6b 960
Mannion Lucy - 37 - Lichfield 6b 899

Name: Lucy Hollinshead
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Chase Town, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Handsworth
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England


Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub-registration district: Handsworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 42
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 130
Piece: 2714
Folio: 38
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
Francis Crisp 47
Elizabeth Crisp 47
Francis A Crisp 22
Edith E Crisp 18
Arthur E Crisp 14
Lucy Hollinshead 18

John was considerably older than Lucy - perhaps he had a wife back in Ireland, and was thus unable to marry her

1891


Name: Lucy Hollingshead
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James Hollingshead
Mother's name: Elizabeth Hollingshead
Gender: Female
Where born: Chase Town, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Burntwood
Ecclesiastical parish: Chasetown
Town: Chasetown
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Lichfield
Sub-registration district: Lichfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2213
Folio: 11
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
James Hollingshead 45
Elizabeth Hollingshead 43
Elizabeth Hollingshead 23
James Hollingshead 16
Emily Hollingshead 13
William H Hollingshead 11
Lucy Hollingshead 9
Fanny Hollingshead 7
Sarah Hollingshead 5
Maria Hollingshead 2

1891 England Census
about John Mannion Name: John Mannion
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Galway, Ireland

Civil parish: Great Budworth
Ecclesiastical parish: Great Budworth
Town: Great Budworth
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Runcorn
Sub-registration district: Budworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2829
Folio: 83
Page Number: 11
Household Members: Name Age
James Barber 36
Jane Barber 46
Eva M Arnold 15
Arthur Venables 19
William Proctor 14
Martin Mannion 19
John Mannion 20
Thomas Murphy 19


1901 England Census
about John Mannion Name: John Mannion
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil parish: Whitley Superior
Ecclesiastical parish: Nether Whitley
Town: Whitley Superior
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Runcorn
Sub-registration district: Budworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 36
Piece: 3332
Folio: 44
Page Number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
John Renshaw 42
Sarah Ann Renshaw 41
Ernest Renshaw 5
Elsie Renshaw 2
Richard Leach 17
Edward Berry 14
Ada Marratt 18
John Mannion 30

If this is him he is single

1911 does state that John was married, and it also states that Lucy was married and next to her name it is noted she was married for 8yrs.

............so could it be that the couple never married, because she was married to someone else?

Marriages Mar 1902 (>99%)
Emberton Elizabeth Ada Stafford 6b 28
Goodwin Edward Stafford 6b 28
Hollingshead Lucy Stafford 6b 28
Stockton William Stafford 6b 28

However there are other John Mannions,on 1891 1901, single from Ireland, one married...but you'd need to know his father's name?

Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1902

GOODWIN Edward EMBERTON Elizabeth Ada Stafford, St Mary Newcastle-Under-Lyme CE18/06/454

HOLLINSHEAD Lucy STOCKTON William Stafford, St Mary Newcastle-Under-Lyme CE18/06/453

1901
Name: Lucy Hollinshead
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Chase Town, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Handsworth
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub-registration district: Handsworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 42
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 130
Piece: 2714
Folio: 38
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
Francis Crisp 47
Elizabeth Crisp 47
Francis A Crisp 22
Edith E Crisp 18
Arthur E Crisp 14
Lucy Hollinshead 18

Philip is new to posting so I have just told him how to reply on the thread, via the purple 'add reply' or reply box at foot of page :-D

Thanks to all who have helped me on this subject. Sorry that i had not posted all replies but I am new to this facet of Genes Reunited and was on a different page. Rose has guided me through the process so special thanks to Rose
I shall now have to digest the new infomation, and make some assessment upon whether Lucy had a prior marriage to Mr Stockton, if she did he did not die in the next few years so if Lucy married John Mannion, it seems likely that it was bigamous, or just a convenient term used on later censuses and death certificates.
I suppose the reality is that I may never know the truth!
Thanks again to everyone. Phil
Good luck everyone.

well done for getting here Philip :-D

To find out if the Lucy marrying Stockton was your relation, buy the cert . The father's details will be on it

PM RECEIVED

The name was given by my wif'e mother who remembered her mothers maiden name, this was confirmed with BMD record, Vol 6b, p 451

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The reason I asked was to see if the children's birth certs mentioned a previous married name for Lucy.
If you could pinpoint a previous marriage which did not result in the death of first husband, ir's likely she and John just lived together as man and wife.

Of course they may have married in Ireland or Scotland for instance

Mike, There is a marriage of a Lucy Hollinshead to a William Stockton in 1902 in Stafford. Now if this is her, she had a stillborn baby in Nov 1903, which is counted as a child in the 1911 census with John Mannion as the father.
The time between the Stockton marriage and the stillbirth child makes me feel this is a different Lucy Hollinshead.
I now am more convinced that she and John Mannion, just lived together for their own set of reasons.Phil.
Thanks for your thoughts.