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Hi All, I have now discovered why Alice Hawkins Inskip is called Hawkins, it was possibly from her father unknown, but I am now able to rule this out, it is via her grandmother Elizabeth Sarah Stevens, Her mother was Ann Hawkins, so for what ever reason she ended up having her great grandmothers maiden name as her second name.

Regards

Eileen

Hi all.

Have just received a D/C for a Lily Alice Hawkins, who died in 1971, it sort of makes some sences but more contradictions than facts, her date of birth is given as 17 Mar 1912 - my Alice 17 Feb 1911. place of birth Wickford Essex- Poplar East London. Occupation Housekeeper, at time of marrige worked as a Domestic Servant, would appear to be single aat time of death. deid at place of work 25 Westleigh Ave Leigh-on-Sea, home address 6 Oaken grange Ave Brightwell. Informant Arthur Hurbert Brooke (possible employer!!!!!)

Have trawlled the births records for a Lily Alice! with a time scale of 1910-1915 a very large number of people, no records I have looked make any senses. will you just look at what I have to see if this is the correct death, I know while it is to late for my half sister my newphew Steve would still like answers if at all possible.

Thanks

Eileen :-)

Hi all who help in sorting out Alice Hawkins Inskip:

I was able to tell my sister Peggy who her morther was, that she was the illegitmate daughter of Elizabeth (Lizzy) Inskip, rather than the daughter of George and Elizabeth Inskip. Infact Lizzy went on to have a second child, before marrying in 1920.

I sadly have not been able to trace a death for Alice Hawkin, but may be if we belive in an after life Peggy will be able to answer her own questions as she died in Southend Hospital on the 19 Sept 2012 following a fall at home the previous week.

I was at least lucky to have known Peggy for a few months, and will be able to treasure the memories and time spent with her.

Still on the trail of Henry William Bradford, but seem to be going round in ever decreasing circles.

Thanks once again for all help

Eileen. :-(

Henry Oaks Bradford on the 1871 census as a wood turner joiner but the 1881 census states he was a shoeblack. died in the Middlesex Hospital in 1883

The Gair family where in the main organ pipe makers, some made pianos, and given that Hannah Johnson married into the Gair family. am pondering on if this is where I should be looking for Henry William.

My grandfather John Bradford shows his fathers name as John dec'd, occupation though was a wood turner, I am wounder if Henry William found himself in a similar position not know his father name, but maybe he had lived with Charles as some time.

The father of both Henry Oaks and Charles, William Bradford was either a wood turner or joiner in all census.

Just putting ideas into the melting pot! to see what other people think.

Eileen

On your original query you said Henry William's father was Henry Oaks Bradford yet this marriage gives a father Charles (deceased organ builder).

What was Henry Oaks Bradford's occupation?

On your Ancestry tree you have an 1891 census attached for a Harry Bradford Ironmonger's assistant, who is single. Which is incorrect - the marriage or the census?

Think it was 1888?

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Henry William Bradford
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Spouse Name: Blanche Josephine Andrews
Spouse Age: 17
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Dec 1888
Parish: Somers Town St Mary the Virgin
Borough: Camden
Father Name: Charles Bradford
Spouse Father Name: William Andrews
Register Type: Parish Register

What am I looking for?

Hi out there,

Have just watched Mo run the race of his life, well done!!!!!!

Any way to a question about my great uncle Henry William, can anyone look at a marriage in Dec 1887, between a Henry William Bradford and Blanche Josaphine Anderson.

1) it shows father as Charles Bradford Dec'd occupation Organ pipe maker, I know that William Gair was an Organ pipe maker, his wife was a Johnson. my grandfather John was living with them when he was 3 years old, Henry with Grandmother Johnson in 1881, so it sort of makes some sense.

2)Blanche's father was a maker of pianos.

3)married in the Sommers Town which is the correct area!

If it is correct at least I will be able to added it to my tree and close this part of my research.

Thanks

Eileen

Yes Lizzy is the daughter of George and Elizabeth, this is why I was so confused by the parentage of Alice till I received the B/C. George and Elizabeth also took on the care of Frederick A Inskip Lizzy second child.

Hello Eileen, good to get the update from the birth certificate - do you think Elizabeth Florence was the daughter Lizzie of George and Elizabeth? What was Alice's actual birth date (just curious to compare it to that of the Alice on George's service record).

Copied over from "Alice Inskip 1911"

Edit - link removed as thread deleted....there wasn't anything on it to worry about

Eileen 7 Aug 2012 21:13

I would like to say thanks to everyone who pointed me in the direction of Alice H Inskip born 1911 Poplar, she was the lady I was looking for.

Her mother was Elizabeth Florance M Inskip no father listed on B/C, as a result of this info it also came to light that Elizabeth also had a son born in 1915. I am now in contact with his grand-daughter, who has been able to provide some information, but still unable to tell me any about my Half-Sister's Mother Alice> and no trace of death as yet. Elizabeth went on to marry and had 3 more daughters.

Alice and her brother Frederick A inskip where looked after by George and Elizabeth.

Filled in the missing 1891 for my grandfather John, but still no proof of what happend to his older brother Henry William Bradford 1870.

So any more help would be apprechated and once again heartfelt thanks.

Eileen

Hi Eileen, your tree on A only has 1901 missing for Henry so what are you looking for?

Jude

will point out two interesting entries on this census

1881 census

Address: 32, Ferdinand Place, St Pancras

GAIR, William Head Married M 45 1836 Organ Pipe Maker Marylebone, Middlesex
GAIR, Hannah Wife Married F 45 1836 St Pancras, Middlesex
GAIR, William H Son Single M 23 1858 Organ Pipe Maker St Pancras, Middlesex
GAIR, Robert G Son Single M 19 1862 Organ Pipe Maker Bristol, Somerset
GAIR, Sophia A Daughter Single F 15 1866 Scholar Bristol, Somerset
GAIR, Herbert Son Single M 14 1867 Scholar Bristol, Somerset
GAIR, Ada Daughter Single F 10 1871 Scholar Islington, Middlesex
GAIR, Wallace Son Single M 8 1873 Scholar St Pancras, Middlesex
GAIR, Thomas Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar St Pancras, Middlesex
>>>>BRADFORD, John Nephew Single M 2 1879 Scholar St Pancras, Middlesex
>>>>HEWITT, John Boarder Single M 28 1853 Organ Pipe Maker St Pancras, Middlesex

1901 census

Address: 7, Kings Square, Norwich, Heigham, Norwich

HEWITT, John Head Married M 49 1852 Organ Metal Pipe Worker St Pancras, London
HEWITT, Charlotte Wife Married F 50 1851 St Pancras, London
HEWITT, Harriet Daughter Single F 16 1885 Boot Machinist Camden Town, London
HEWITT, Rhoda Daughter F 14 1887 Boot Machinist Islington, London
HEWITT, Philip Son M 12 1889 Hornsey, Middlesex
HEWITT, Eva Daughter F 10 1891 Islington, London



1911 census

Address: 15 Mountford Burslem, Staffordshire

HEWITT, John Head Married M 58 1853 Metal Pipe Maker St Pancras London
HEWITT, Charlotte Wife Married28 years F 59 1852 St Pancras London
HEWITT, Eva Daughter Single F 19 1892 Warehouse Woman Holloway London
LENARDUZZI, Paul Boarder Married M 26 1885 Mosaic Italy
PARAVANO, Angelo Boarder Married M 35 1876 Marbel Mason Italy

1891 census

Address: 5, Roden Street, Islington

HEWETT, John Head Married M 39 1852 Organ Builder St Pancras, London
HEWETT, Charlotte Wife Married F 41 1850 St Pancras, London
HEWETT, John Son Single M 12 1879 Scholar St Pancras, London
HEWETT, Lillia Agnes Daughter F 7 1884 Scholar St Pancras, London
HEWETT, Harriet Daughter F 6 1885 Scholar St Pancras, London
HEWETT, Rhoda Daughter F 4 1887 Scholar St Pancras, London
HEWETT, Phillip Son M 1 1890 Hornsey, Middlesex

there is a tree on ancestry which says Henry William Bradford's mother was Ann Charlotte Johnson Birth 12 Feb 1848

it says she was married twice, first to Henry Oaks Bradford 1847 – 1883
Children Henry William Bradford 1870 and John Bradford 1879

it says she then married John Coventry Hewitt 1852 – 1915
and had children called
Ada Louisa Hewitt 1884 – 1888
Lillie Agnes Hewitt 1884 –
Harriett Eliza Hewitt 1885 –
Rhoda Hewitt 1887 – 1936
Philip E Hewitt 1889 –
Eva Charlotte Hewitt 1891 – 1915

pm received from Eileen

"Yes it is and this is where I stop with my great uncle, my grandfather John was looked after by a great aunt on the Johnson side in 1881 but no trace of him in 1891, but I know where he was in 1901 and forward, so I am just qurious as to what happened to his only known other family as they lived with other family members."

is this him on 1881 cenus, living with his Grandmother and Uncle?

Address: 21, Clarendon Sqr, St Pancras

JOHNSON, Maria Head Widow F 52 1829 Artificial Flowermaker Middlesex
JOHNSON, William Son Single M 30 1851 Painter Middlesex
BRADFORD, Henry Grand Son Single M 12 1869 Errand Boy Middlesex

Hi to you all.

I would to thank you all for pointing me in the direction of Alice H Inskip born in Poplar in 1911, the Military Records for George Inskip list Alice H Inskip as one of his dependance, have sent for the B/C which will show who her mother was, will post an update in due course.

Given that you have be of such great help with Alice, I know it is a cheek but could you possible help me one more time.

My Great Uncle Henry William Bradford 10/05/1870 as per his B/C parents are Henry Oaks Bradford and Charlotte Johnson, they died in the early 1880's when my grandfather John Bradford was just 3 years old.

1881 census shows Henry William living with his grandparents William and Maria Johnson? not been able to confirm any other date.

Advice or sugesstions as always very welcome.

Thanks

Eileen

I've had a few pms from Eileen (not really appropriate to post all details on here) but things are starting to piece together!

Unless they just left her off the census as she was only 2months old and didn't think she counted.

Maryb.