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Alice Inskip circa 1910

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Eileen

Eileen Report 25 Jul 2012 18:55

I am trying to sort out a family mystery, Alice Inskip married Philip
SJ Bradford 1934 at Romford Registry Office.

I can find no recorded birth for any Alice Inskip born in the Romford area in 1910.

the marriage certificate shows her father as George Inskip living at Herbert
Rd Essex.

George and his family have lived at this address from the 1911 census, no child aged about one is shown on this census the youngest child is Winifred Eva Inskip born about 1909, but her deaath is registered in 1915 in Romford.

Like wise have been unable to find any death under the name of either Bradford, Inskip or even under the name of Stevens, the maiden name of George's wife Elizabeth.

There is one Alice Inskip born in 1907 in the Romford area but she married a Nott and died in Canada.

Any Idea's or surgestions as to where I go in looking for this lady!!!!

Thanks

Eileen

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 25 Jul 2012 19:01

Looking at the 1911 census for George and Elizabeth says 8 children born and still alive - 8 children are listed at home

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 25 Jul 2012 19:06

Wonder who was the informant on his death

Name: Philip Sidney J Bradford
Birth Date: 18 Sep 1910
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1983
Age at Death: 72
Registration district: Oxford
Inferred County: Oxfordshire
Volume: 20
Page: 3195


GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 25 Jul 2012 19:09

Name: Philip S J Bradford
Electoral Year: 1946
Parliamentary Division: Islington
County or Borough: Islington


If the right person then shown with a Sadie A Bradford



Name: Phillip S J Bradford
Electoral Year: 1960
Parliamentary Division: Stoke Newington and Hackney North
County or Borough: Hackney

This time with a Sarah Bradford

Margee

Margee Report 25 Jul 2012 19:12

There's a Lilian D. born 1911, Romford with mother's maiden name Stevens:

Births Sep 1911 (>99%)
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INSKIP Lilian D Stevens Romford 4a 1075

Doesn't help, I know, just thought I'd mention it.

PollyPoppet

PollyPoppet Report 25 Jul 2012 19:29

for ref is this the 1911 census



1911 Census Household Record Household information
Address 11 Herbert Road Ilford Essexr
Parish Ilford
Town Ilford Essexr
Type of Building Private House
Number of Rooms 6 Rooms
Inhabited Y
Reference RG14PN9877 RG78PN521A RD191 SD2 ED28 SN146
Administrative County Essex
Registration District Romford
Registration Sub District Ilford
Enumeration District 28

Householder 1
Name George Inskip
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Condition / Years Married / Years
Gender M
Age 40
Estimated Year of Birth 1871
Occupation General Labour Dairyman
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Industry Urban Council Burrien Dust
Place of Birth Biggleswade Bedford

Householder 2
Name Elizabeth Inskip
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Condition / Years Married / Years
Total Children Born Alive 8
Children Still Living 8
Gender F
Age 40
Estimated Year of Birth 1871
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Essex Barking

Householder 3
Name Lizzie Inskip
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Condition / Years Married / Years
Gender F
Age 18
Estimated Year of Birth 1893
Occupation At Home
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Essex Ilford

Householder 4
Name Albert Inskip
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Condition / Years Married / Years
Gender M
Age 17
Estimated Year of Birth 1894
Occupation Gardener
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Industry Urban Council
Place of Birth Essex Ilford

Householder 5
Name Annie Inskip
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Gender F
Age 14
Estimated Year of Birth 1897
Occupation School
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Essex Ilford

Householder 6
Name Willie Inskip
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Condition / Years Married / Years
Gender M
Age 12
Estimated Year of Birth 1899
Occupation School
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Essex Ilford

Householder 7
Name Friedie Inskip
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Condition / Years Married / Years
Gender M
Age 10
Estimated Year of Birth 1901
Occupation School
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Essex Ilford

Householder 8
Name Louie Inskip
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Condition / Years Married / Years
Gender F
Age 6
Estimated Year of Birth 1905
Occupation Juvenile
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Essex Ilford

Householder 9
Name Earnest Inskip
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Gender M
Age 4
Estimated Year of Birth 1907
Occupation Juvenile
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Essex Ilford

Householder 10
Name Winnie Inskip
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Gender F
Age 2
Estimated Year of Birth 1909
Occupation Juvenile
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Essex Ilford

PollyPoppet

PollyPoppet Report 25 Jul 2012 19:33

same family in 1901

1901 Census Household Record Household information
Address 120 Derby Rd
Civil Parish Ilford
Rural District
Town or Village or Hamlet Ilford
Ecclesiastical Parish St Marys
Parliamentary Borough or Division Southern Or Romford
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Ilford
Administrative County Essex

Householder 1
Name Albert Inskip
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 7
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Essex Barking
Language
Infirmity

Householder 2
Name Annie Inskip
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 5
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Essex Barking
Language
Infirmity

Householder 3
Name Elizabeth Inskip
Relation to Head of Family Wife
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 31
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Essex Barking
Language
Infirmity

Householder 4
Name Elizabeth Inskip
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 9
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Essex Barking
Language
Infirmity

Householder 5
Name Fred Inskip
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 0
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Essex Seven Kings
Language
Infirmity


Householder 6
Name George Inskip
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 30
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Labourer General
Employment Status
Where Born Beds Biggleswade
Language
Infirmity

Householder 7
Name Willie Inskip
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 2
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Kent Belvedere
Language
Infirmity

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 25 Jul 2012 19:35

How do you know Alice was born in 1910?

And a marriage certificate wouldn't show where her father was living???

Jude

Rambling Rose

Rambling Rose Report 25 Jul 2012 19:38

I note Alice and Philip's child was named after her deceased sister.

thinking outside the box a bit, have you looked at the wider family for an Alice born about the right time, eg a cousin to George and Elizabeth's children , who may have been adopted by them at a later date and taken their surname?

Rambling Rose

Rambling Rose Report 25 Jul 2012 19:38

what was George's occupation on the marriage cert?

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 25 Jul 2012 19:39

Are the witnesses related ?

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 25 Jul 2012 19:40

What about this....

Births Mar 1911 (>99%)
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Inskip Alice H Poplar 1c 573

Mary

Mary Report 25 Jul 2012 19:45

According to a tree which I think is Eileens, Philip remarried 1943 in Northumberland to Sarah Alice Cowens 1916-1997.They had 2 daughters
Also states Alice Inskip 1910 -1950.

Maryb.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 25 Jul 2012 19:46

According to George's service records he had a daughter Alice Hawkins born in Poplar 17 Feb 1911.

British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920
Name: George Inskip
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Age at enlistment: 44
Residence: 11 Herbert Road, Sevin Kings
Document Year: 1915
Regimental Number: 118620
Regiment Name: Royal Engineers
Number of images: 8

He married Elizabeth Sarah Stevens on 4 July 1891 (or 1896)

They had (in addition to Alice above)
Louisa Bertha b 12 Jan 1905 in Ilford
Ernest Clifford b 23 Apr 1907 in Romford
Frederick Arthur b 9 Mar 1901 ?? in Ilford

These were apparently verified by the army.

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 25 Jul 2012 19:46

Did the daughter born 1936 marry as Inskip rather that Bradford ?

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 25 Jul 2012 19:55

This verifies the info on the service record:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1891
Inskip George Romford 4a 471
Stevens Elizabeth Sarah Romford 4a 471

I'm guessing that he just listed their youngest children on his service record, perhaps those still at home?

The birth record that Erin... posted above for Alice is definitely the correct one, except we now know her actual date of birth.

My guess is that Winnie age 2 on the 1911 census is actually 2 MONTHS old and is probably Alice. EDIT: No - see my meanderings below.

George does NOT list a Winnie on his service record.

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 25 Jul 2012 20:04

So birth certificate of Alice as posted by Eringobragh should give her mother. Which willl then hopefully find her in 1911 census.

Jude

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 25 Jul 2012 20:05

I'm having second thoughts now!

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Winifred Eva Inskip
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1909
Registration district: Romford
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 559


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915

Name: Winifred E Inskip
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1910
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1915
Age at Death: 5
Registration district: Romford
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 720

I think Rose may be on to something about a relative's child. George attested 06 Sep 1915 - some months after Winnie died, which is perhaps why he didn't list her.

Alice was registered as Inskip in 1911 so already had that surname, although her birthplace of Poplar is a little outside their normal area. Might she be their granddaughter and their eldest Lizzie is the mother?

Eileen

Eileen Report 25 Jul 2012 20:20

Hi all.

Thanks for your reply's.

The reason for trying to discover who Alice was is that the daughter of Philip and Alice is my now discovered half sister and her health is very frail, I have very rashly promised to see if I can find out any info.

Philip did in due course marry Sarah, but there was no divorce from Alice.

What I have discovered is very little, there are no Inskips that I have found who are able to help.

The witnessess to the marriage of Alice and Philip where George C Nichols and Annie Nichols(nee Inskip), have made contact with there only serviving son, but he is unable to help, his parents died in the Blitz's in 1941, and while he lived with the extended Inskip's for a while he was sent away to school in Surrey and then into the services so no luck there.

Will look at the surgestions and the couple of names mentiond in these posts.


I know that a marriage certificate will not where her father lived but given that at time of marriage she shows Herbert Rd as at the 1911 census, hope that clears up that misunderstanding.

She states she is 23 years old at time of marriage so have used this as my starting point as a guide to year of birth but have trawled 5 years either side of this date.

Regards

Eileen



Janice

Janice Report 25 Jul 2012 20:32

CWGC:

NICHOLLS, GEORGE CHAPPEL

Rank:Civilian
Date of Death:
19/04/1941
Age:45
Regiment/Service:
Civilian War Dead

Reporting Authority
ILFORD, MUNICIPAL BOROUGH

Additional Information:

Home Guard; of 88 Westwood Road. Husband of Annie Nicholls. Died at Westwood Road.