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Alice Inskip circa 1910

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Janice

Janice Report 25 Jul 2012 20:34


NICHOLLS, ANNIE

Rank:
Civilian
Date of Death:
19/04/1941
Age:
46
Regiment/Service:
Civilian War Dead

Reporting Authority
ILFORD, MUNICIPAL BOROUGH

Additional Information:

of 88 Westwood Road. Daughter of Mr. G. Inskip, of 61 Smithies Road, Abbey Wood, Plumstead London, and of the late E. Inskip; wife of George Chappel Nicholls. Died at Westwood Road.

Rambling Rose

Rambling Rose Report 25 Jul 2012 20:35

On the 1881 census George is at home with siblings, one of whom is Ernest this is him in 1911 with wife and daughter Alice

1911 England Census
about Ernest Inskip Name: Ernest Inskip
Age in 1911: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Biggleswade, Bedfordshire
Civil parish: Ilford
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street Address: 193 Ley Street, Ilford, Essex
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Coal Porter
Registration district: Romford
Registration District Number: 191
Sub-registration district: Ilford
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Household schedule number: 35
Piece: 9866
Household Members: Name Age
Ernest Inskip 30
Alice Inskip 31
William Inskip 6
Alice Inskip 4
Arthur Inskip 1/12
Thomas Samuel 14

Seems likely that your Alice is named after her aunt and cousin.


MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 25 Jul 2012 20:35

Well Eileen, we can now confirm that Alice Hawkins Inskip was born 17 Feb 1911 in Poplar (as per George's service records). As I said above my suspicion is that she may be the daughter of Lizzie Inskip b 1893 (daughter of George and Elizabeth Sarah).

You can confirm for definite who her parents were by ordering her birth certificate from GRO http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/ It will cost £9.25

The birth details are posted above but here they are again:

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Alice H Inskip
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1911
Registration district: Poplar
Inferred County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 573

Just a thought - the use of what looks like a surname as a middle name often denotes the father's surname if the parents weren't married.

Mary

Mary Report 25 Jul 2012 21:07

Hi Eileen who brought your half sister up
after Philip remarried.

Wouldn't have thought George would have lied about having daughter Alice on his military records.



Maryb.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 25 Jul 2012 21:17

Hi Mary - I don't think George "lied" as such, but it wasn't uncommon for parents to state one of their children's children was their own.

The facts are that in the 1911 census George and Elizabeth claimed to have had 8 children, all living and accounted for but Alice wasn't one of them.

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 26 Jul 2012 07:19

His military records are almost as if he forget Fred! Eileen you just need to buy that birth certificate!!!!!

But where was Alice on 2nd April 1911 (if she was Lizzie's daughter)?

Curious

Mary

Mary Report 26 Jul 2012 08:56

Unless they just left her off the census as she was only 2months old and didn't think she counted.

Maryb.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 26 Jul 2012 16:06

I've had a few pms from Eileen (not really appropriate to post all details on here) but things are starting to piece together!

Eileen

Eileen Report 28 Jul 2012 22:40

Hi to you all.

I would to thank you all for pointing me in the direction of Alice H Inskip born in Poplar in 1911, the Military Records for George Inskip list Alice H Inskip as one of his dependance, have sent for the B/C which will show who her mother was, will post an update in due course.

Given that you have be of such great help with Alice, I know it is a cheek but could you possible help me one more time.

My Great Uncle Henry William Bradford 10/05/1870 as per his B/C parents are Henry Oaks Bradford and Charlotte Johnson, they died in the early 1880's when my grandfather John Bradford was just 3 years old.

1881 census shows Henry William living with his grandparents William and Maria Johnson? not been able to confirm any other date.

Advice or sugesstions as always very welcome.

Thanks

Eileen

tempest

tempest Report 28 Jul 2012 22:54

is this him on 1881 cenus, living with his Grandmother and Uncle?

Address: 21, Clarendon Sqr, St Pancras

JOHNSON, Maria Head Widow F 52 1829 Artificial Flowermaker Middlesex
JOHNSON, William Son Single M 30 1851 Painter Middlesex
BRADFORD, Henry Grand Son Single M 12 1869 Errand Boy Middlesex

tempest

tempest Report 28 Jul 2012 23:44

pm received from Eileen

"Yes it is and this is where I stop with my great uncle, my grandfather John was looked after by a great aunt on the Johnson side in 1881 but no trace of him in 1891, but I know where he was in 1901 and forward, so I am just qurious as to what happened to his only known other family as they lived with other family members."

tempest

tempest Report 28 Jul 2012 23:45

there is a tree on ancestry which says Henry William Bradford's mother was Ann Charlotte Johnson Birth 12 Feb 1848

it says she was married twice, first to Henry Oaks Bradford 1847 – 1883
Children Henry William Bradford 1870 and John Bradford 1879

it says she then married John Coventry Hewitt 1852 – 1915
and had children called
Ada Louisa Hewitt 1884 – 1888
Lillie Agnes Hewitt 1884 –
Harriett Eliza Hewitt 1885 –
Rhoda Hewitt 1887 – 1936
Philip E Hewitt 1889 –
Eva Charlotte Hewitt 1891 – 1915

tempest

tempest Report 28 Jul 2012 23:51

1891 census

Address: 5, Roden Street, Islington

HEWETT, John Head Married M 39 1852 Organ Builder St Pancras, London
HEWETT, Charlotte Wife Married F 41 1850 St Pancras, London
HEWETT, John Son Single M 12 1879 Scholar St Pancras, London
HEWETT, Lillia Agnes Daughter F 7 1884 Scholar St Pancras, London
HEWETT, Harriet Daughter F 6 1885 Scholar St Pancras, London
HEWETT, Rhoda Daughter F 4 1887 Scholar St Pancras, London
HEWETT, Phillip Son M 1 1890 Hornsey, Middlesex

tempest

tempest Report 29 Jul 2012 00:07

1901 census

Address: 7, Kings Square, Norwich, Heigham, Norwich

HEWITT, John Head Married M 49 1852 Organ Metal Pipe Worker St Pancras, London
HEWITT, Charlotte Wife Married F 50 1851 St Pancras, London
HEWITT, Harriet Daughter Single F 16 1885 Boot Machinist Camden Town, London
HEWITT, Rhoda Daughter F 14 1887 Boot Machinist Islington, London
HEWITT, Philip Son M 12 1889 Hornsey, Middlesex
HEWITT, Eva Daughter F 10 1891 Islington, London



1911 census

Address: 15 Mountford Burslem, Staffordshire

HEWITT, John Head Married M 58 1853 Metal Pipe Maker St Pancras London
HEWITT, Charlotte Wife Married28 years F 59 1852 St Pancras London
HEWITT, Eva Daughter Single F 19 1892 Warehouse Woman Holloway London
LENARDUZZI, Paul Boarder Married M 26 1885 Mosaic Italy
PARAVANO, Angelo Boarder Married M 35 1876 Marbel Mason Italy

tempest

tempest Report 29 Jul 2012 01:07

will point out two interesting entries on this census

1881 census

Address: 32, Ferdinand Place, St Pancras

GAIR, William Head Married M 45 1836 Organ Pipe Maker Marylebone, Middlesex
GAIR, Hannah Wife Married F 45 1836 St Pancras, Middlesex
GAIR, William H Son Single M 23 1858 Organ Pipe Maker St Pancras, Middlesex
GAIR, Robert G Son Single M 19 1862 Organ Pipe Maker Bristol, Somerset
GAIR, Sophia A Daughter Single F 15 1866 Scholar Bristol, Somerset
GAIR, Herbert Son Single M 14 1867 Scholar Bristol, Somerset
GAIR, Ada Daughter Single F 10 1871 Scholar Islington, Middlesex
GAIR, Wallace Son Single M 8 1873 Scholar St Pancras, Middlesex
GAIR, Thomas Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar St Pancras, Middlesex
>>>>BRADFORD, John Nephew Single M 2 1879 Scholar St Pancras, Middlesex
>>>>HEWITT, John Boarder Single M 28 1853 Organ Pipe Maker St Pancras, Middlesex

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 29 Jul 2012 07:35

Hi Eileen, your tree on A only has 1901 missing for Henry so what are you looking for?

Jude

+++DetEcTive+++

+++DetEcTive+++ Report 7 Aug 2012 21:33

Copied over from "Alice Inskip 1911"

Edit - link removed as thread deleted....there wasn't anything on it to worry about

Eileen 7 Aug 2012 21:13

I would like to say thanks to everyone who pointed me in the direction of Alice H Inskip born 1911 Poplar, she was the lady I was looking for.

Her mother was Elizabeth Florance M Inskip no father listed on B/C, as a result of this info it also came to light that Elizabeth also had a son born in 1915. I am now in contact with his grand-daughter, who has been able to provide some information, but still unable to tell me any about my Half-Sister's Mother Alice> and no trace of death as yet. Elizabeth went on to marry and had 3 more daughters.

Alice and her brother Frederick A inskip where looked after by George and Elizabeth.

Filled in the missing 1891 for my grandfather John, but still no proof of what happend to his older brother Henry William Bradford 1870.

So any more help would be apprechated and once again heartfelt thanks.

Eileen

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 7 Aug 2012 23:06

Hello Eileen, good to get the update from the birth certificate - do you think Elizabeth Florence was the daughter Lizzie of George and Elizabeth? What was Alice's actual birth date (just curious to compare it to that of the Alice on George's service record).

Eileen

Eileen Report 7 Aug 2012 23:11

Yes Lizzy is the daughter of George and Elizabeth, this is why I was so confused by the parentage of Alice till I received the B/C. George and Elizabeth also took on the care of Frederick A Inskip Lizzy second child.

Eileen

Eileen Report 11 Aug 2012 20:26

Hi out there,

Have just watched Mo run the race of his life, well done!!!!!!

Any way to a question about my great uncle Henry William, can anyone look at a marriage in Dec 1887, between a Henry William Bradford and Blanche Josaphine Anderson.

1) it shows father as Charles Bradford Dec'd occupation Organ pipe maker, I know that William Gair was an Organ pipe maker, his wife was a Johnson. my grandfather John was living with them when he was 3 years old, Henry with Grandmother Johnson in 1881, so it sort of makes some sense.

2)Blanche's father was a maker of pianos.

3)married in the Sommers Town which is the correct area!

If it is correct at least I will be able to added it to my tree and close this part of my research.

Thanks

Eileen