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Jill

Jill Report 21 Jan 2013 12:17

Hi
Thanks to a previous post, i've been able to find out a bit more about my great grandmother. In the 1871 census she is listed as living with her grandmother, Margarer Kelly, in 22 mount st, manchester. The other person in the house is her daughter Sarah Kelly. The strange thing is that margaret is listed as being 67 and sarah as 14, with henrietta 6. Also, henrietta's dad is william conley, so am not sure how this fits with the kelly bit. Am thinking margaret kelly was just a family friend rather than relative.
Can anyone help and also, thought it would be an idea to get hold of william conley's birth certificate but not sure how to go about this and if it could yield results. He was born in leeds, yorks, according to census c. 1826.
Any help appreciated.
Jill

Jill

Jill Report 26 Jul 2012 10:40

Thank you for your invaluable help.

Catherine

Catherine Report 26 Jul 2012 10:34

Have to go now but will look back later.

Catherine

Catherine Report 26 Jul 2012 10:32

Names were registered by clerks and were often misspelt as they usually wrote down what they heard. If the person registring had an accent, then the clerk may not have been familiar with that particular accent, or the person may not have known the exact spelling of his own name, so you will find lots of vatiants of names when doing your research. Always keep an open mind!

Catherine

Catherine Report 26 Jul 2012 10:27

marriage certificates can be bought directly from the local registry office, or can be bought from the GRO (general registry office) and can be bought on line. They cost about £9 (or something like that). You can buy from other sites but they will cost a lot more.

Susannah looks to have died in 1865.

Address on 1841 census is Hanover Street.
Don't forget that the 1841 is only a possible siting so would need to be confirmed,(some how).

Jill

Jill Report 26 Jul 2012 10:16

Would the cathedral have a record of it? So it's looking like phillis shaw and joseph then. And make her 22 when got married.

Jill

Jill Report 26 Jul 2012 10:13

And there's a name change from conley to connelly but it reverts back to conley. I'd heard that the priest was irish and had to change the spelling when they ran off together. Unless she's run off at this point with someone else???

Catherine

Catherine Report 26 Jul 2012 10:10

That's interesting:-

groom's name: Joseph Dickens
bride's name: Phillis Shaw

marriage date: 25 Jan 1818
marriage place: Cathedral,Manchester,Lancashire,England

indexing project (batch) number: M00546-5
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 438190, 438191

..............that would fit with the 1854 marriage so may be ??????

Jill

Jill Report 26 Jul 2012 10:10

Between 1861 and 1871, Susannah has disappeared and William is living with the kids with the Barratts. Is there an address for that record? Also, it looks like phillis' husband is josiah, is there an address?

Jill

Jill Report 26 Jul 2012 10:02

I don't have the marriage certificate unfortunately. Bit of a daft question but where could I get one? Manchester town hall?

Catherine

Catherine Report 26 Jul 2012 09:45

I couldn't find a marriage between William Conley (or variants) and Susannah Dickens?

Have you got the marriage cert.?

The marriage cert. should give the name of her father who would normally be the husband of Phillis. If she didn't know who her father was then it will not be noted of course but it would help to know the details of the marriage certificate, so if you have the cert. could you post any details that may be on it please.

Catherine

Catherine Report 26 Jul 2012 09:36

It's possible that Phillis remarried:-

Marriages Jun 1854 (>99%)
CLAY John Manchester 8d 433
Dawes William Manchester 8d 433
DICKINS Phillis Manchester 8d 433
SIDDALL Sarah Ann Manchester 8d 433
Tonge Richard G Boughton 8d 433
.................................................................................................

DICKINS Phillis CLAY John Manchester, St. John Manchester STJ/13/244
................................

This Phillis was married before:-

SHAW Phillis CLAY John Manchester, St. John Manchester STJ/13/244
..........as the marriage is also noted under the name of Shaw.
(Remarriage. Where the lady is remarrying and both her maiden name and former married name are on the entry in the register, then both are listed in the indexes. It is not possible to tell from the indexes which is the maiden name.)

Jill

Jill Report 26 Jul 2012 09:35

I am going on holiday soon so I will read through all the above info when I get back. Thanks everyone. I'll also upload my latest tree. Does anyone know if I can upload 2 trees?

Jill

Jill Report 26 Jul 2012 09:33

Hi everyone. Wow! What a lot of responses! Yes, 1796 born. Sorry, my mistake. The line goes from phillis dickens (married name I think but I don't have a hubby for her), daughter susannah dickens, married william conley/conlay, had william albert conley married to mary ada then edith cooper, second marriage produced edith conley plus 3 other girls, edith married frederick albert taylor, they had my mum. I know phillis was a confectioner in red bank manchester but have no record of hubby. Red bank was a jewish immigrant area but I don't think she was jewish because of occupation and time of living there. There was talk in our family of susannah being french and running off from france with a catholic priest but I can't find any evidence of this!

Catherine

Catherine Report 26 Jul 2012 09:02

Could this be where the Taylor comes in????

1841 England Census about Pheles Dickin
Name: Pheles Dickin
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Gender: Female
Where born: Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Manchester
Hundred: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:

Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Market Street
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 573
Book: 6
Folio: 30
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
George Taylor 45 - Taylor
Mary Taylor 35
Sarah Taylor 10
Elizabeth Taylor 5
George Taylor 2
Ellen Taylor 7 Mo
Mary Ann Taylor 7
Josiah Dickin 40 - Shoe (looks like) Maker
Pheles Dickin 40
.......................................................................................

just in case it is relevant, this is the Taylor family in 1851:-

1851 England Census about Mary Ann Taylor
Name: Mary Ann Taylor
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1808
Relation: Head
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: Cathedral And Collegiate Church
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation: Charwoman

Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Market Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 1j
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 152
Piece: 2229
Folio: 289
Page Number: 41
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Ann Taylor 43 - noted as married, not widowed.
Sarah Taylor 19
Elizabeth Taylor 16
Mary Taylor 15
George Taylor 12
Ellen Taylor 10
James Taylor 3
William Shaw 38

Catherine

Catherine Report 26 Jul 2012 08:53

The only marriage that I can see that fits for William and Susannah is this one:-

Marriages Mar 1851 (>99%)
Ainsworth John Manchester 20 436
Broadbent Ann Manchester 20 436
xxxx Connolly William Manchester 20 436 xxxx
Farrow Thomas Manchester 20 436
Fildes Robert Manchester 20 436
xxxx Kelly Susannah Manchester 20 436 xxxx
Owen Edward Manchester 20 436
Quinn Ellen Manchester 20 436
Smith Hannah CHORLTON 20 436
Stott Susannah Manchester 20 436
Thorneley Jane Manchester 20 436

...............but this William married Susannah Kelly?

CONNOLLY William KELLY Susannah Manchester Cathedral (formerly Manchester Collegiate Church) Manchester CATH/82/36

Catherine

Catherine Report 26 Jul 2012 08:39

1861 England Census about Susannah Conley
Name: Susannah Conley
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Conley
Gender: Female
Where born: Ashton Under Lyme, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: St John
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Ancoats
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 25
Piece: 2931
Folio: 31
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
William Conley 33
Susannah Conley 30
Wm Albert Conley 9
Thos Henry Conley 2
John Fredi Conley 7 Months
.................................................................
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915 about Susannah Conley
Name: Susannah Conley
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1865
Registration district: Manchester
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 282
.......................................................................

......................the rest of the family in 1871:-

1871 England Census about William Connelley
Name: William Connelley
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Leeds
Civil parish: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Market Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 67
Piece: 4045
Folio: 81
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
William Barratt 66
Charlotte Barratt 56
William Connelley 45
William Albert Connelley 19
Thomas Henry Connelley 14
John Frederick Connelley 9

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 26 Jul 2012 08:38

so not born 1896....but 1796?????????????????? bit of a difference!!

Catherine

Catherine Report 26 Jul 2012 08:36

?
1851 England Census about Phillis Dickens
Name: Phillis Dickens
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: **** abt 1796 ****
Relation: Head
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 6 Red Bank

Occupation: Shopkeeper

Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Market Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 1e
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 59
Piece: 2229
Folio: 144
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Phillis Dickens 55
William Conlay 23 - 1828 born: Leeds, Yorkshire (son-in-law)
Susannah Conlay 21 - 1830 born: Manchester, Lancashire (daughter)

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 26 Jul 2012 08:04

Where does Taylor in the title fit in?

Jude