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Hi,

I need help to trace beyond 1905 for my Father's family, the Taylors of Edinburgh. My father's name is George (no middle name) and he was born 1931 in Edinburgh, died 1981, his father was also George (but he had a middle name of Ross I think). He was born in 1905 and was in the Army in the 1920s when he met his wife, Jean Macalpine. His father was Thomas Taylor, and hs mother was Catherine McRae. Thomas was born around 1866, but I have been unable to decisively go back further than this as there are two families in Edinburgh with similarly named children in the 1861 Census. I have assumed that Thomas' father is Hugh Taylor, Born 1836 in Haddington, and his mother is Catherine Henderson born 1837. I have looked at the GRO(S) records but cannot decipher the registrar's handwriting to come to a definitive decision. If anyone can help I would be very grateful.

Russell

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Thos S Taylor
Scotland Census, 1881
birth: 1867 Edinburgh
residence: 1881 Inveresk &? Musselburgh,? Midlothian,? Scotland


name: Thos S Taylor
event type: Census
event date: 1881
gender: Male
age: 14
birthplace: Edinburgh
registration district: Inveresk & Musselburgh
county: Midlothian
estimated birth year: 1867

Thomas E Taylor
Scotland Census, 1881
birth: 1867 Edinburgh
residence: 1881 St Andrew'S,? Midlothian,? Scotland


name: Thomas E Taylor
event type: Census
event date: 1881
gender: Male
age: 14
birthplace: Edinburgh
registration district: St Andrew'S
county: Midlothian
estimated birth year: 1867

Hugh Taylor
Scotland Census, 1871
birth: 1836 Haddingtonshire (East Lothian)
residence: 1871 St Giles,? Midlothian,? Scotland


name: Hugh Taylor
event type: Census
event date: 1871
gender: Male
age: 35
birthplace: Haddingtonshire (East Lothian)
registration district: St Giles
county: Midlothian
estimated birth year: 1836

Isabella Taylor
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: 02 Feb 1869 EDINBURGH PARISH,?EDINBURGH,?MIDLOTHIAN,?SCOTLAND
parents: Hugh Taylor,? Catherine Henderson


name: Isabella Taylor
gender: Female
birth date: 02 Feb 1869
birthplace: EDINBURGH PARISH,EDINBURGH,MIDLOTHIAN,SCOTLAND
father's name: Hugh Taylor
mother's name: Catherine Henderson
indexing project (batch) number: C11685-2
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516

Elizabeth Taylor
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: 13 Apr 1856 EDINBURGH PARISH,?EDINBURGH,?MIDLOTHIAN,?SCOTLAND
parents: Hugh Taylor,? Catherine Henderson


name: Elizabeth Taylor
gender: Female
birth date: 13 Apr 1856
birthplace: EDINBURGH PARISH,EDINBURGH,MIDLOTHIAN,SCOTLAND
father's name: Hugh Taylor
mother's name: Catherine Henderson
indexing project (batch) number: C11685-1
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516

Catherine Taylor
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: 15 Jul 1872 EDINBURGH,?MIDLOTHIAN,?SCOTLAND
parents: Hugh Taylor,? Catherine Henderson


name: Catherine Taylor
gender: Female
birth date: 15 Jul 1872
birthplace: EDINBURGH,MIDLOTHIAN,SCOTLAND
father's name: Hugh Taylor
mother's name: Catherine Henderson
indexing project (batch) number: C11685-3
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516

Alice Mary Taylor
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: 02 Feb 1869 EDINBURGH PARISH,?EDINBURGH,?MIDLOTHIAN,?SCOTLAND
parents: Hugh Taylor,? Catherine Henderson


name: Alice Mary Taylor
gender: Female
birth date: 02 Feb 1869
birthplace: EDINBURGH PARISH,EDINBURGH,MIDLOTHIAN,SCOTLAND
father's name: Hugh Taylor
mother's name: Catherine Henderson
indexing project (batch) number: C11685-2
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516

Hugh Taylor
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: 01 Jun 1858 EDINBURGH PARISH,?EDINBURGH,?MIDLOTHIAN,?SCOTLAND
parents: Hugh Taylor,? Catherine Henderson


name: Hugh Taylor
gender: Male
birth date: 01 Jun 1858
birthplace: EDINBURGH PARISH,EDINBURGH,MIDLOTHIAN,SCOTLAND
father's name: Hugh Taylor
mother's name: Catherine Henderson
indexing project (batch) number: C11685-1
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516

Thomas Taylor
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: 24 Oct 1866 EDINBURGH PARISH,?EDINBURGH,?MIDLOTHIAN,?SCOTLAND
parents: Hugh Taylor,? Catherine Henderson


name: Thomas Taylor
gender: Male
birth date: 24 Oct 1866
birthplace: EDINBURGH PARISH,EDINBURGH,MIDLOTHIAN,SCOTLAND
father's name: Hugh Taylor
mother's name: Catherine Henderson
indexing project (batch) number: C11685-2
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516

James Taylor
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: 06 Mar 1863 EDINBURGH PARISH,?EDINBURGH,?MIDLOTHIAN,?SCOTLAND
parents: Hugh Taylor,? Catherine Henderson


name: James Taylor
gender: Male
birth date: 06 Mar 1863
birthplace: EDINBURGH PARISH,EDINBURGH,MIDLOTHIAN,SCOTLAND
father's name: Hugh Taylor
mother's name: Catherine Henderson
indexing project (batch) number: C11685-2
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516

All good stuff, so thanks for the considerable effort here. It has helped me to confirm my family tree. Still looking to go back further in time if possible though.....

Russell

If anyone can help me trace Hugh Taylor's parents I would be grateful. Russell

Hugh Taylor
Scotland Census, 1871
birth: 1836 Haddingtonshire (East Lothian)
residence: 1871 St Giles,? Midlothian,? Scotland


name: Hugh Taylor
event type: Census
event date: 1871
gender: Male
age: 35
birthplace: Haddingtonshire (East Lothian)
registration district: St Giles
county: Midlothian
estimated birth year: 1836

I have been trying to find them but not had any luck so far :-)

That 1871 in more detail.


1871 census transcription details for: 6, Potter Row Simpson's Court, St Cuthbert Edinburgh
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 685
Folio: 61
Page: 2
Reg. District: St Giles
Sub District:
Parish: St Cuthbert Edinburgh
Enum. District: 61
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 6, Potter Row Simpson's Court, St Cuthbert Edinburgh
County: Midlothian
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
TAYLOR, Hugh Head Married M 35 1836 Labourer In Brewery S Lothian, Haddingtonshire (East Lothian)
TAYLOR, Catherine Wife Married F 34 1837 City, Midlothian
TAYLOR, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 14 1857 St Cuthberts, Midlothian
TAYLOR, Hugh Son M 10 1861 St Cuthberts, Midlothian
TAYLOR, Thomas Son M 5 1866 St Cuthberts, Midlothian
TAYLOR, Isabella Daughter F 2 1869 St Cuthberts, Midlothian
TAYLOR, Alice Mary Daughter F 2 1869 St Cuthberts, Midlothian

Think I have found them in 1861. Just look at the first names and catherine Henderson.


1861 Scotland Census about Hugh Lailvro
Name: Hugh Lailvro
Age: 7 Mo
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relationship: Grandson
Father's Name: Hugh Lailvro
Gender: Male
Where born: Midloth, edinr
Registration Number: 685/1
Registration district: St George
Civil parish: Edinburgh St Cuthberts
County: Midlothian
Address: Walkers Pend
ED: 28
Household schedule number: 83
Line: 22
Roll: CSSCT1861_124
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary An Arerm 45
Catherine Henderson 25
Hugh Lailvro 28
Elisabeth Lailvro 4
Hugh Lailvro 7 Mo

and here it is on fmp. What a difference in the transcriptions!! Still doesn't help with Hugh's parents. Their marriage certificate would help.

1861 census transcription details for: Walkers Pond, St Cuthbert's
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09
Piece: 685
Folio: 1
Page: 13
Reg. District: St George
Sub District:
Parish: St Cuthbert's
Enum. District: 28
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Walkers Pond, St Cuthbert's
County: Midlothian
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
ANCRUM, Mary Head Widow F 45 1816
Laughton, Midlothian
HENDERSON, Catherine Daughter Married F 28 1833
Midloth, Midlothian
TAILOR, Hugh Son-In-Law Married M 28 1833 Servant In Brewery
Dalkeith, Midlothian
TAILOR, Elizabeth Grand Daughter F 4 1857
Midloth, Midlothian
TAILOR, Hugh Grand Son M 0 (7 MO) 1861
Midloth, Midlothian

Why Lailvro when their name is Taylor?

as it was often the practice back then to name the first son after the grandfather - could this be Hugh's father?

Hugh Taylor
Scotland Census, 1841
birth: 1815 Scotland
residence: 1841 Lanark,? Lanarkshire,? Scotland


name: Hugh Taylor
event type: Census
event date: 1841
gender: Male
age: 26
birthplace: Scotland
parish: Lanark
county: Lanarkshire
estimated birth year: 1815

1851 census transcription details for: 5, Fox Lane, Leith


National Archive Reference:
RG number:
Piece: 692
Folio: 242
Page: 4
Reg. District:
Sub District:
Parish: Leith
Enum. District: 42
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 5, Fox Lane, Leith
County: Midlothian
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
TAYLOR, Hugh Head Married M 47 1804 Miller
Kelso, Roxburghshire
TAYLOR, Elizabeth Wife Married F 44 1807
Dalkeith, Midlothian
TAYLOR, James Son Unmarried M 24 1827 Baker
Dalkeith, Midlothian
TAYLOR, Hugh Son Unmarried M 19 1832 Labourer
Dalkeith, Edinburgh


1881 census transcription details for: 169, Pleasance, St Cuthberts


National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 6855
Folio: 23
Page: 2
Reg. District: Newington
Sub District:
Parish: St Cuthberts
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 169, Pleasance, St Cuthberts
County: Midlothian
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
TAYLOR, Hugh Head Married M 48 1833 Maltman
Dalkeith
TAYLOR, Catherine Wife Married F 47 1834
Edinburgh, Midlothian
TAYLOR, Thomas Son M 14 1867 Scholar
Edinburgh, Midlothian
TAYLOR, Isabella Daughter F 11 1870 Scholar
Edinburgh, Midlothian
TAYLOR, Alice Daughter F 11 1870 Scholar
Edinburgh, Midlothian



1891 census transcription details for: Baxters Close, Tolbooth Edinburgh


National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 685
Folio: 6
Page: 8
Reg. District: St Giles
Sub District:
Parish: Tolbooth Edinburgh
Enum. District: 6
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Baxters Close, Tolbooth Edinburgh
County: Midlothian
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
TAYLOR, Hugh Head Married M 58 1833 Carters Labourer
Dalkeith, Midlothian
TAYLOR, Catherine Wife Married F 57 1834 Formerly Laundress
St Cuthberts, Midlothian
TAYLOR, Mary Daughter Unmarried F 21 1870 Laundress
Canongate, Midlothian
FINLAYSON, Catherine Granddaughter F 2 1889
St Cuthberts, Midlothian
FINLAYSON, Henry Grandson M 0 (8 MO) 1891
St Giles, Midlo

Alviegal,

The Pleasance address was the one that fitted as it had Thomas in the family and this is the one I have been using to go further back but without much success. I have Hugh as coming from Haddington and working as a Miller there but the Maltman was a common job as Edinburgh has lost of breweries! If I work on the assumption that the Pleasance address is correct what would you advise about going further back?

Russell

Russell,
When you say that you looked at the GROs, did you mean the marriage cert for Thomas Taylor and Catherine McRae?
This couple married In St George Parish, Edinburgh in 1896.
Therefore it is unlikely to find this couple together on any census prior to 1901

If you don't already have it, you do need to obtain this certificate to determine if you have identified the correct parents for Thomas.
Both sets of parents will be listed on it, and will confirm if any was deceased at this time. It will also confirm if either bride or groom had been married previously.

You say that Thomas was born circa 1866 which made him 30 yrs old at the time of this marriage

All of the children on this return were born after 1896:
1901 Scotland Census
about Thomas Taylor
Name: Thomas Taylor
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Catherine Taylor
Gender: Male
Where born: Edinburgh
Registration Number: 685/1
Registration district: St George
Civil parish: Edinburgh St Aidan
County: Midlothian
Address: 7 Riego St
Occupation: Bubber Worker
ED: 180
Household schedule number: 12
Line: 9
Roll: CSSCT1901_371
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Taylor 34
Catherine Taylor 23 B Edinburgh
Jessie Taylor 4 b Edinburgh
John Taylor 3 b Edinburgh
William Taylor 7 Mo B Edinburgh
Thomas Gordon 46 Uncle b. Edinburgh

Anne
Edit:
I also searched on Scotlands People for the 1911 census (Without Purchase) and found this family living in St Giles, Edinburgh.
In addition to the children listed on the 1901 return, there is also:
Thomas age6, John age 5 ( needs to be clarified that 5 is the correct age) Hugh age 4, Catherine age 3 and Mary Taylor age 31.

Russell,
There is also a tree on Ancestry with info on the McRae family.
Catherine McRae b 1878 was the daughter of John McRae( b 1855) and Catherine GORDON ( b 1859)

Thomas Gordon on the 1901 census with Thomas Taylor and his family is entered as Uncle... and is the brother of Catherine Gordon.

1891 Scotland Census
about Catherine McRae
Name: Catherine McRae
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relationship: Daur (Daughter)
Father's Name: John McRae
Mother's Name: Catherine McRae
Gender: Female
Where born: Edinburgh
Registration Number: 685A/2
Registration district: St George Burgh
Civil parish: Edinburgh St Cuthberts
County: Midlothian
Address: 55 Fountainbridge
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 130
Household schedule number: 92
Line: 17
Roll: CSSCT1891_339
Household Members: Name Age
John McRae 36
Catherine McRae 33
Sarah McRae 7
Catherine McRae 13
Janet McRae 15


1881 Scotland Census
about Catherine McRae
Name: Catherine McRae
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: John McRae
Mother's Name: Catherine McRae
Gender: Female
Where born: St Cuth, Edinr
Registration Number: 685/1
Registration district: St George
Civil parish: St George
County: Midlothian
Address: 55, Fountainbridge St
ED: 7A
Household schedule number: 94
Line: 6
Roll: cssct1881_279
Household Members: Name Age
John McRae 26
Catherine McRae 22
Catherine McRae 3

Anne

Hello Russell,

Have you checked to see if any members on this site are researching the same family? Simply go to the Search button at the top right of this board and then click on Search All Trees. If you find a connection, you can contact the tree owner. Regards. Cx

Cynthia / Anne,

Brilliant stuff - thanks again! When I say the GRO(S) I do mean the birth, marriage and death records, which I am trung to acquire for each person in my tree (albeit slowly!). It is these that I have found difficult to decipher on occasion and Thomas' death certificate was one of those records that confused me a little as I could not make out his parents details properly.

Your McRae information is valuable as I have not researched this branch at all but see that the family are closer than I thought - families being more extended in those times and more members living together - mostly due to privation of course.

Have searched trees on numerous occasions but will try again :-)

Russell

Reached a brick wall again. Can someone advise how I can access Parish Records older than 1855?

Russell