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Annie Cash or Cask/Llewellyn Further Update

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HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 16 Aug 2012 08:59

OK Part Two!

Elizabeth Jane married in 1893

Marriages Sep 1893 (>99%)
Brady Frederick Cardiff 11a 593
Llewellyn Elizabeth Jane Cardiff 11a 593

Frederick was christened Peter James Frederick but I assume, as his father was also Peter James, he assumed Frederick as his name.

For reference, here he is in 1881 (across the road from Elizabeth Jane)

Name: Frederick Brady
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James Brady
Mother's Name: Marcella Brady
Gender: Male
Where born: London, London, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Roath
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: 51 John St

I can't find them at all in 1901 or 1911. CAN ANYONE FIND THEM? OR A DEATH FOR THEM? I know they were alive until 1896 as daughter Annie is with her uncle in 1901


Name: Annie Brady
Age in 1901: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil parish: Roath
Ecclesiastical parish: roath st margarets
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Cardiff
Sub-registration district: East Cardiff
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 69
Piece: 4974
Folio: 197
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Llewellyn 32
Johanna Llewellyn 32
Julia A Llewellyn 8
Liza Llewellyn 6
Thomas Llewellyn 1
Annie Brady 5
Charles Barrett 37
Catherine Barrett 57
David Barrett 32
John Barrett 11
Charles E Baker 5

I can track Thomas and his family right through to 1911.

But I haven't found William for sure after 1891 but given the common name I am not hopeful (I have six of them in my tree!)

Reggie

Reggie Report 16 Aug 2012 08:53

William Cash in 1881 could be sheer coincidence of name

I note that he aged 26 years by 1891 - and changed his country of birth to England.

Ann's marriage cert will name her father.................if she knew him

Reggie

Reggie Report 16 Aug 2012 08:49

To find out if the death is the right Ann......buy the cert. It should name her husband.

Same for the hubby....for details of the person registering the death

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 16 Aug 2012 08:46

I am trying to fill in the gaps on this family.

Llewellyn Llewellyn was my great grand uncle and was born in Roath, Cardiff after the 1841 census so the first time I find him is in 1851 as an errand boy (with his elder sister Catherine). In 1861 he is working as a servant in Llanishen.

In 1865 he married Annie - Cash on record

Marriages Dec 1865 (>99%)
Cash Ann Cardiff 11a 471
Llewellyn Llewellyn Cardiff 11a 471

In 1871 they are living at 63 Clifton Street Roath

Name: Llewllyn Llewllyn
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Annie Llewllyn
Gender: Male
Where born: Cardiff, Glamorganshire, Wales
Civil parish: Roath
Ecclesiastical parish: Roath
Town: Roath
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Registration district: Cardiff
Sub-registration district: Cardiff
ED, institution, or vessel: 28b
Household schedule number: 207
Piece: 5367
Folio: 35
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
Llewllyn Llewllyn 30
Annie Llewllyn 20
Elizebeth J Llewllyn 4
Thomas Llewllyn 2

The next time I found them was in 1891 at 58 Helen Street Roath. Ann is widowed

Name: Ann Llewellyn
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Head
Father's Name: William Cask
Gender: Female
Where born: Batcombe, Somerset, England
[England]
Civil parish: Roath
Ecclesiastical parish: St Germans
Town: Cardiff
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Cardiff
Sub-registration district: Cardiff
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4388
Folio: 45
Page Number: 81
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Llewellyn 54
Elizabeth Llewellyn 25
Thomas Llewellyn 22
William Llewellyn 19
William Cask 78

So I searched for death for Llewellyn and the only one I came up with was although the age is not quite right

Deaths Sep 1872 (>99%)
LLEWELLYN Llewellyn 32 Cardiff 11a 151

And then yesterday I found the family in 1881 lodging at 52 John Street Roath

Name: Anne Llewellin
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Female
Where born: Somerset, England
Civil parish: Roath
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: 52 John St
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: Laundress
Registration district: Cardiff
Sub-registration district: Cardiff
ED, institution, or vessel: 38
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5286
Folio: 42
Page Number: 79
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred Maine 50
Eliza Maine 40
Anne Llewellin 39
Elizabeth Llewellin 14
Thomas Llewellin 12
William Llewellin 9
Eliza Llewellin 5
William Cash 52

Infuriatingly, because they are lodging there are no relationships between the family. But this find has raised some questions.

Firstly, who is Eliza? If she is another daughter, then either her father wasn't Llewellyn or the death is wrong. CAN ANYONE FIND AN ALTERNATIVE DEATH FOR LLEWELLYN?

WHERE IS ELIZA IN 1891?

WHO IS WILLIAM CASH? It can't be Annie's father William as the age is wrong. But as I have not found Annie before 1871 I have no idea on her family. CAN ANYONE FIND HER IN 1841, 1851 OR 1861?

Beyond 1891 I have not found her. I have a death that fits with her being born in 1837 (but her year of birth is different on each of the three censuses I have found)

Deaths Dec 1911 (>99%)
Llewellyn Ann 74 Cardiff 11a 332

I will post my other gaps in the children separately on this thread