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ADDED INFO ON JAMES BROWNE+CATHERINE HOLLARAN

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Kathryn

Kathryn Report 17 Aug 2012 16:41

Hi, its the pest back again with another query. I have my great grandparents, James Browne and Catherine Hollaran (although the spelling of her surname maybe a little different). They married on 28 Sept 1879 at the Roman Catholic Chapel of Aglish. James' father is given also as James Browne Policeman. Catherines' father is given as Dan Hollaran Labourer. James residence at the time of the marriage was Crossmahon, Kilmurry Parish. Catherines' as Aglish Parish. Witnesses were Jeremiah Murphy and Anne Moriarty. Catherines' name is given later on as Kate Browne. She died 2 January 1939 given as widow and aged 77. She died at what looks like 7 Cork Street, Macroom, writing not very legible. I guess given Catherines' age given at her death, 77 she was born about 1862. She is not buried with her husband and on the cert it say widow of Mason. I am stumped to find Catherines date of birth, also that of James as I haven't a clue when he was born or when. My grandmother Ellen, was born on 11 Dec 1881 in Ballymichael. Is there anyone that could please possibly find answers to any of the above queries. Not sure if there were any other siblings of Ellen's also. I have searched and searched again many times and nothing. Now is the time to ask for some help please. If anyone wants to see the marriage cert of James and Catherine and also her death cert I could certainly PM it across. I have a hunch, don't ask how that James' father the policeman was married to an Ellen Swiney, might be very wrong but that seems to tie in with James Jnr and Catherines' daughter being called Ellen. May be just pure speculation.

Kind regards

Kathryn :-D

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 17 Aug 2012 17:14

Kartherine ...Just for clarification I assume all the places named were for the Co Cork...? As they can also be found in the Co's Donegal Waterford Kilkenny (amongst others)

Kathryn

Kathryn Report 17 Aug 2012 17:16

Hello, yes I'm sorry. So far as I'm aware its all the Cork area.

Kind regards

Kathryn

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 17 Aug 2012 17:24

Kathryn..(sorry about previous mispelling)
What was James occupation at marriage..?

Kathryn

Kathryn Report 17 Aug 2012 17:34

Hi, a Mason and his father, also, James Browne was a policeman. Sorry despite my clicking on add to my watched threads which I was led to believe let me know by email if I had a message it isn't working. Am back and forth to the computer whilst cooking dinner.

Kind regards

Kathryn

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 17 Aug 2012 17:39

Kathryn..your correct its not...and hasnt been for some time..!!

Get on with your dinner and will peruse around...

Kathryn

Kathryn Report 17 Aug 2012 17:41

Okay, thanks. I'll be back in about half an hour. It's just that I didn't want people to think I'd posted a thread and then not checked it for a while.

Kind regards

Kathryn

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 17 Aug 2012 18:33

Kathryn...

1901 Census....James occ. is Mason and place of birth Co Cork..James from eldest age appears to have ? been married before...


of a house 104 in Main Street (Macroom, Cork)
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Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion
Brown James 46 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic
Brown Catherine 30 Female Wife Roman Catholic
Brown James 19 Male Son Roman Catholic
Brown Catherine 13 Female Daughter Roman Catholic
Brown Margaret 13 Female Daughter Roman Catholic
Brown Daniel 9 Male Son Roman Catholic
Brown Mary 7 Female Daughter Roman Catholic
Brown Maurice E 3 Male Son Roman Catholic

Kathryn

Kathryn Report 17 Aug 2012 18:42

Hiya, thank you so much for that information. To be honest am not sure it is the right family as going by Catherines/Kates death age it does not tally and my grandmother, Ellen, was born in 1881 so I make that Catherine would have been about 10 when she had my grandmother. Sorry.

What do you mean when you say James from eldest age appears to have been married before? Having a blonde moment. I think probably the age of James Snr in 1901 would be about right but the rest doesn't tie in.

I know this is a diffcult one and appreciated everyones time and effort.

Kind regards

Kathryn

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 17 Aug 2012 18:43

1911...Married 27yrs 8 children..8 children still living

Residents of a house 29 in Down Street (Macroom, Cork)
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Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion
Browne James 50 Male Head of Family
Browne Kate 40 Female Wife
Browne Dan 19 Male Son
Browne May 18 Female Daughter
Browne Ned 14 Male Son

Children missing per 1901

James

Ellen

Kate

and another not on 1901...probably same age as James/Ellen.

Ned (1911) will be Maurice "E". aged 4 1901

Kathryn

Kathryn Report 17 Aug 2012 18:49

Hi again, thank you for the new info. Same again with this one Kate would have been only 10 when she had grandma. As before, I know this is a difficult once I have searched time and time again and haven't come up with anything. I thought I might be able to find the birth of Catherine knowing her father was Dan/Daniel but have hit a brick wall.

Kind regards

Kathryn

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 17 Aug 2012 18:50

Kathryn...

Looking at the Cenus (1901) Catherine is aged 30 yrs...The eldest child James is aged 19.." couldnt be Catherines son...

Kathryn

Kathryn Report 17 Aug 2012 19:04

Hiya, yes I see what you mean. If they married in 1879 then in 1901 they would have been married 22 years. I do appreciate your time and help but not sure, as before, this is the right family. In 1901 grandma, Ellen, would have been 20.

Kind regards

Kathryn

Kathryn

Kathryn Report 17 Aug 2012 19:10

Hi again, shall I PM to you Ellen's birth cert and Catherines marriage cert just so you can see, sometimes it helps if you have something in front of you. If you would like them I'll ping them through to you. I don't have Catherine's death cert scanned as yet but could do that also.

Kind regards

kathryn

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 17 Aug 2012 19:18

Kathryn....

The ages on the Census dont often tell the truth..!!
James 1901 is 46 ..10 years later he is 50 !!
Equally years married arent always correct...the Census are for us really tools to work with nothing else...if you look at the "original" you will see 1901 the family speak Irish and English..Irish would I assume be their first language..
1911 they only speak English..!!

You have the MC and Ellens BC so working on the assumption that the Census isnt altogether accurate youhave...

1) James Browne.. Mason (no other JB.s Masons Co Cork..other than his son)
2) Married to a Catherine.
3) 2nd male child named Daniel (Maternal G.father's name)

Ellen if she was the first female child would be name d after her Maternal g.mother not paternal...of course both g.mothers could be called Ellen..!!!

Kathryn

Kathryn Report 17 Aug 2012 19:28

Hiya, yes I can see the picture now, thank you once again for all your time and help it is much appreciated. Now you have found all this info is there anyway of trying to find when Catherine was born please? Of course we don't know where she was born, all we have to go on is the marriage certificate stating her father was Dan/Daniel Holloran/Halloran/Hallaran. It is difficult to read the writing sometimes too. It's so weird as grandma started out as Ellen, later she was Helena Ellen and she signed her marriage cert Lena Brown without the e on the end. Am sure they did this to confuse later generations but of course it doesn't help one bit when people are trying to research.

Kind regards

Kathryn

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 17 Aug 2012 20:35

Kathryn....Sorry to have taken so long but have been chasing James and Kate all over the Co Cork...!!

Have found James jnrs Birth 1878 Canaway Macroom ..fatherJames Browne mother Kate Holloran....

Send the details through by Pm and I will have a look....

Kathryn

Kathryn Report 17 Aug 2012 20:39

Hiya, you clever thing you. There on their way. Although again James was born before they married. Hey ho such is life.

Kind regards

Kathryn

Kathryn

Kathryn Report 30 Mar 2013 14:47

HAPPY EASTER TO ONE AND ALL.

Hi, just adding to this thread now as I have found the following but not sure that this helps the original post or not?

This would be James Snr and Catherine (Kate) Halloran (Holloran's) son and have since found out they had other children but not sure when they were born. I have listed them after this listing for James Jnr:-

Name:

James Browne

Gender:

Male

Birth Date:

21 Nov 1879

Birth Place:

Cannaway, Macroom, Cork, Ireland

Father's Name:

James Browne

Mother's name:

Kate Holloran

Annie Grace Browne
Daniel Browne
Kitty Browne

Grandma, Helena Ellen Bryant nee Browne was born in 1881 so I would presume these other children were born around or near this year. I have been told that Daniel died in or around 1920 (he was killed by the Black and Tans) but can find nothing on this.

As ever, any help would be much appreciated.

Kind regards


Kathryn




Kathryn

Kathryn Report 30 Apr 2013 19:28

Change to the last post on 30 March 2013. Annie Grace Browne is correct as is Daniel, apparently Daniel was killed by the Black and Tans in or around 1920. The last name, Kitty is actually Kathleen Mary Browne. Have checked the Censuses found and Annie Grace is not on them nore is Kathleen Mary but she maybe the one listed as Mary.

Kind regards

Kathryn