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Thanks for the heads up MC, looks like I wasted quite a lot of time!

I think 1901 explains John Carney, but his mother is down as George's daughter,

George Massie
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Massie
Gender: Male
Where born: Waverton, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Bootle
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Bootle
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 101
Piece: 3460
Folio: 168
Page Number: 17
Household Members: Name Age
George Massie 60
Mary Massie 51
William Massie 25
Mary E Corney 31
John Corney 5

Related thread about him:
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1308788

I did say on that thread that he was bought out of the army in October 1893 so it's unlikely he went to Oz before then.

The same family in 1881:

John R. Roberts
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Mary Roberts
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: West Derby
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 11 Minshull St 2 Court
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: West Derby (Municipal)
ED, institution, or vessel: 33
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3705
Folio: 11
Page Number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Roberts 32 (married, general labourer's wife)
John R. Roberts 7
William Roberts 5
George Massie 40 (boarder)

John Carney could not have been on the 1891 census if he was born in 1895?

This is the nearest census I can find, are you sure you have the right details?

John R Ruberts
[John R Roberts]
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Stepson
Mother's Name: Mary Massie
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Bootle
Ecclesiastical parish: Walton on the Hill St Mary
Town: Bootle
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Walton
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2970
Folio: 57
Page Number: 42
Household Members: Name Age
George Massie 50
Mary Massie 42
John R Ruberts 17
William Ruberts 15
Jane Taylor 39

Hi Flip,

He was born in 1873 in Bootle Lancashire. He was only 19 at the time of taking ship to Australia.

The reason for the two possible names is......He was either going AWOL from the army or trying to off put his stepfather.

Also in the 1891 census was his sister Mary Ellen Carney and her young son John who was born in 1895.

Each time I seem to get somewhere with John Roberts/Maudesley, something puts a spanner in the works giveing me another headache.

Kathlyn.....I do very mych appreciate you time with my problem Flip.

How old was he, I can't seem to find that census?

added - there is a John Roberts, chief cook age 34, docking in various ports in Aus & NZ in 1894

Sorry for the dealay Flip,

His name was John Roberts, he may have signed on as John Maudesley. No, I am the only person researching him.

He is in the 1891 census living with his mother and stepfather, John Massie in Bootle, Lancashire

Not too sure what police archives would contain, not that familiar with Australian records. If you give his name & age I'll take a look on Ancestry see if anything comes up.

Try searching trees, see if anyone else is researching the same family.

Just had a thought Fli, So the family story goes, he did not like sea life so he jumped ship in Sydney but was found a brought back to the ship, I understand his journey home was not a nice one.

Would there be any mileage in the Australian police archives?

kathlyn

Also, try national archives website - they often have crew lists

As he may have left the ship for a time in Australia, there may be immigration records - it's worth a try.

Hi Flip,

He joined the ship possibly in 1892 in Liverpool. The ship went on a two year voyage to India and Australia.

On his return to the UK he signed off the ship at the Royal group of docks in London, never to retunr to Liverpool.

I did not look at the passenger list as I thought that would not be of use.

kathlyn

Post up the persons details so we can take a look - have you tried the passenger arrivals?

I have looked on Ancestry ships crew list, but it is a very small list and mainly Royal Navy. I am looking for someone who joined as crew in Liverpool about 1892 and heading for Australia.

I do not have the name of the ship, so I know it will be a long haul.

Is there anything else I can look at?

kathlyn