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Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 12 Sep 2012 08:35

James am just bringing this forward for clarity/ confirmation....
Census posted by Anne 8 Sept.

***Daniel*** was the son of Sam.and Malinda....

Laura B Goodrich was the daughter of Phillip Miller and Angeline Sagar (sister of Daniel.

Not 100% sure if this is the correct one in 1940
1940 United States Federal Census about Daniel Sager
Name: Daniel Sager
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880

Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Marital Status: Widowed
Relation to Head of House: Uncle
Home in 1940: Pittsburgh, Allegheny, Pennsylvania

Street: Duffield Street
House Number: 1440
Inferred Residence in 1935: Pittsburgh, Allegheny, Pennsylvania
Residence in 1935: Same Place
Harrison Goodrich 56
Laura B Goodrich 40
Daniel Sager 60 WIDOWED (Uncle)

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 12 Sep 2012 09:28

James this is the Miller family 1900 Eliz.Twp. Allegheny.


Head Philip Miller M 26 Pennsylvania ***(Place of Birth ? Germany) Coalminer
Wife Angeline Miller F 23 Pennsylvania
Jennie Miller F 6 Pennsylvania****(1910 With Malida Sagar)
Ann E. Miller F 3 Pennsylvania
*** Laura B. Miller F 2 Pennsylvania*** (1940 Census Laura B Goodrich)
Boarder Fredrick Schmidt M 69 Germany

OneFootInTheGrave

OneFootInTheGrave Report 12 Sep 2012 11:54

Hi Eringobragh1916,

That marriage thing confused me as well, so I thought I would throw, from something Moody Blue sent me, into the pot just to add to the confusion.

Mary and James were married 7th January 1857 in New York (their marriage was later solemnized in the Endowment House in Salt Lake City on 8th of August 1860)

They arrived in Salt Lake City 17th September 1859 and the family came to Cache Valley in the spring of 1860 and they settled in Wellsville.

When her widowed mother-in-law Elizabeth Russell Archibald, and her four youngest children, arrived in Utah in 1862, Mary and James shared their humble home with them. While they were still living in Wellsville her husband married a plural wife, Mrs. Jane Mark Reed, she had previously been married to James Geerson Reed. Jane was Mary’s younger sister.

In the spring of 1877, James moved both of his families to Clarkston, Cache, Utah where he died very suddenly on 17th February 1891.

See mail I have sent you

Regards,

james

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 12 Sep 2012 11:55

still looking into the Mark / Archibald connection


Birth James Archibald Whitburn (Have copy from SP)

Born James Archibald son of Thomas Archibald and Elizabeth Archibald m.s. Russell spouses in Greenrigg was born 12 April baptized 08 May 1836


1841 Scotland Census about James Archibald
Name: James Archibald
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland

Civil parish: Whitburn
County: West Lothian
Address: Green Ridge Coal Work
Parish Number: 673
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Archibald 25 coal miner
Elisabeth Archibald 20
James Archibald 5
Margaret Archibald 3
William Archibald 1



1851 Scotland Census about James Archibald
Name: James Archibald
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Archibald
Mother's Name: Elisabeth Archibald
Gender: Male
Where born: Whitburn, Linlithgow
Parish Number: 673
Civil parish: Whitburn
County: West Lothian
Address: School Rows
Occupation: Iron Miner
ED: 6
Page: 23 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 79
Line: 14
Roll: CSSCT1851_174
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Archibald 38
Elisabeth Archibald 34
James Archibald 14
Margaret Archibald 13
William Archibald 11
Robert Archibald 7
John Archibald 3
Elisabeth Archibald 2
Christian Archibald 1 Mo


1860 United States Federal Census about James Archibald
Name: James Archibald
Age in 1860: 24
Birth Year: abt 1836
Birthplace: Scotland
Home in 1860: Great Salt Lake City Ward 16, Great Salt Lake, Utah Territory
Gender: Male
Post Office: Great Salt Lake City
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members:
Name Age
James Archibald 24 common labourer
Mary Archibald 24
Thomas Archibald 2
Isabella Archibald 6/12


1870 United States Federal Census about James Archabald
Name: James Archabald
Age in 1870: 33
Birth Year: abt 1837
Birthplace: Scotland
Home in 1870: Wellsville, Cache, Utah Territory
Race: White
Gender: Male
Post Office: Wellsville
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members:
Name Age
James Archabald 33
Jane Archabald 30
William Archabald 7 ( born William Reid 1863 )
Jane Archabald 3
Alexander Archabald 10/12


1880 United States Federal Census about James Archibald
Name: James Archibald
Age: 44
Birth Year: abt 1836
Birthplace: Scotland
Home in 1880: Clarkston, Cache, Utah
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Jane Archibald
[Mary Archibald]
Father's Birthplace: Scotland
Mother's Birthplace: Scotland
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Farmer
Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane:

View image
Household Members:
Name Age
James Archibald 44
>>>>>>>>>>>Jane Archibald 41
William Reel 17 ( should read as William Reid)
May Archibald 12
Alexander Archibald 10
Margaret Archibald 7
Robert J. Archibald 4
>>>>>>>>>>>Mary Archibald 44
Thomas M. Archibald 22
Isabella Archibald 20
James Archibald 18
Allen Archibald 16
William W. Archibald 12
Mary E. Archibald 10



Jane Archibald age 41 and Mary Archibald age 44 are sisters both married to James Russell Archibald .
Jane had previously been married to James Reid in Scotland who died and their son Was William b 1863. She emigrated to USA abt 1866.


Web: Utah, Find A Grave Index, 1850-2011 about James Russell Archibald
Name: James Russell Archibald
Birth Date: 12 Apr 1836
Age at Death: 54
Death Date: 11 Feb 1891
>>>>>>>>>Burial Place: Wellsville, Cache County, Utah, USA


BUT THEN there is this one


Name: James Russell Archibald
Birth Date: 12 Apr 1836
Age at Death: 54
Death Date: 11 Jan 1891
>>>>>>>>>Burial Place: Clarkston, Cache County, Utah, USA


Web: Utah, Find A Grave Index, 1850-2011 about Mary Mark Archibald
Name: Mary Mark Archibald
Birth Date: 15 May 1836
Age at Death: 79
Death Date: 25 May 1915
Burial Place: Clarkston, Cache County, Utah, USA

re birth record of Mary mark (copy from SP)
MARK mary daughter to Alan Mark & Isobel Brown born 15 May baptized 02 June 1836



not much detail but this from U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900

U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900 about Mary Mark
Name: Mary Mark
Gender: Female
Spouse Name: James Russell Archibald
Number Pages: 1





Web: Utah, Find A Grave Index, 1850-2011 about Jane Mark Archibald
Name: Jane Mark Archibald
Birth Date: 13 Jul 1838
Age at Death: 86
Death Date: 4 May 1925
Burial Place: Ogden, Weber County, Utah, USA


re marriage of Jane Mark to John Reid 1862 ( copy from SP)

James Reid father William Reid
mother Agnes Reid ms GREIRSON


1861 Scotland Census about Jane Mark
Name: Jane Mark
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relationship: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Bothwell, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 628
Registration district: Cambusnethan
Civil parish: Cambusnethan
Town: Wishaw
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Caledonian Road
ED: 7
Household schedule number: 186
Line: 4
Roll: CSSCT1861_93
Household Members:
Name Age
Daniel Mcneil 41
Margaret R Mcneil 40
Duncan Mcneil 19
John Mcneil 14
Margaret Mcneil 12
Malcolm Mcneil 7
Mary Mcneil 2
Jane Mark 21
Helen Mark 71




1920 United States Federal Census about Jane M Archibald
Name: Jane M Archibald
Age: 80
Birth Year: abt 1840
Birthplace: Scotland
Home in 1920: Point, Cassia, Idaho
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Mother-in-law
Marital Status: Widowed
[Widow]
Father's Birthplace: Scotland
Mother's Birthplace: Scotland
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Edmund W Warters 49
[39]
Margaret A Warters 47 ( Margaret A Archibald )?
[42]
Reta A Warters 21
May A Warters 18
Maude A Warters 17
Jane M Archibald 80




search still ongoing

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 12 Sep 2012 12:52

having to access page 8 via page 7 and writing a message......very odd???
just keep getting a blank page if I go directly to page 8??

OneFootInTheGrave

OneFootInTheGrave Report 12 Sep 2012 13:54

Moody Vlue,

From what I have seen on here and other places I think this is the one I would go for as his wife Mary Mark Archibald was buried beside him:-

Name: James Russell Archibald
Birth Date: 12 Apr 1836
Age at Death: 54
Death Date: 11 Jan 1891
>>>>>>>>>Burial Place: Clarkston, Cache County, Utah, USA

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 12 Sep 2012 14:21

This Would be Elizabeth Archibald b abt 1818 ?

1861 Scotland Census about Elizabeth Archibald
Name: Elizabeth Archibald
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Shotts, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 673
Registration district: Whitburn
Civil parish: Whitburn
County: West Lothian
Address: On High Road To Longridge School Rows
ED: 6
Household schedule number: 104
Line: 22
Roll: CSSCT1861_121
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Archibald 43
Robert Archibald 17
John Archibald 14
Elisabeth Archibald 10
Christiana Archibald 10
Alexd Archibald 7
Andrew Archibald 4


1870 United States Federal Census about Elizabeth Archabald
Name: Elizabeth Archabald
Age in 1870: 51
Birth Year: abt 1819
Birthplace: Scotland
Home in 1870: Wellsville, Cache, Utah Territory
Race: White
Gender: Female
Post Office: Wellsville
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Archabald 51
Alexander Archabald 16
Andrew Archabald 13
Christina Archabald 10

Cannot understand as to why Christina is still down as being 10 yrs when she should of been abt 20.


1880 United States Federal Census about Elizabeth Archibald
Name: Elizabeth Archibald
Age: 62
Birth Year: abt 1818
Birthplace: Scotland
Home in 1880: Wellsville, Cache, Utah
Race: White
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Widowed
Father's Birthplace: Scotland
Mother's Birthplace: Scotland
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Keep House
Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane:

View image
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexander Archibald 26
Margeret Archibald 25
Martha Archibald 2
Alexander Archibald 7m
Elizabeth Archibald 62


1900 United States Federal Census about Elizabeth Archibald
Name: Elizabeth Archibald
Age: 82
Birth Date: Feb 1818
Birthplace: Scotland
Home in 1900: Wellsville, Cache, Utah
[Cache]
Race: White
Gender: Female
Immigration Year: 1862
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Widowed
Father's Birthplace: Scotland
Mother's Birthplace: Scotland
Mother: number of living children: 0
Mother: How many children: 0
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Archibald 82



Utah Death Registers, 1847-1966 about Elizabeth R Archibald
Name: Elizabeth R Archibald
Gender: Female
Age: 91
Birth Date: abt 1817
Death Date: 25 Apr 1908
Death County: Cache
State File Number: 1908001763


OneFootInTheGrave

OneFootInTheGrave Report 12 Sep 2012 18:23

Hi Moody Blue,

Before I log off for the day I thought I would throw this one back into the melting pot, I think I have made sense of most of it, but the ones with the christian name William are baffling me :-(

still looking into the Mark / Archibald connection

Birth James Archibald Whitburn (Have copy from )

1870 United States Federal Census about James Archabald
Name: James Archabald
Age in 1870: 33
Birth Year: abt 1837
Birthplace: Scotland
Home in 1870: Wellsville, Cache, Utah Territory
Race: White
Gender: Male
Post Office: Wellsville
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members:
Name Age
James Archabald 33
Jane Archabald 30

William Archabald 7 >>>>>>>>>>Jane Archibald 41

William Reel 17 >>>>>>>>>>Mary Archibald 44
Thomas M. Archibald 22
Isabella Archibald 20
James Archibald 18
Allen Archibald 16

William W. Archibald 12 <xxxxx

Mary E. Archibald 10

Regards,

James

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 12 Sep 2012 19:12

James,
The boy on the census William W Archibald age 12 .
Son of James Archibald and Mary Mark ?

His name is not William, it is: Willard W Archibald
Born Web: Idaho, Find A Grave Index, 1863-2011
about Willard Archibald
Name: Willard Archibald
Birth Date: 7 Aug 1868
Age at Death: 38
Death Date: 22 Nov 1906
Burial Place: Teton, Madison County, Idaho, USA
URL: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-...

There is photo of his grave on findagrave

Anne


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Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 12 Sep 2012 22:54

1870 Census William Archabald aged 7 is really William Reid the son of James Reid and Jane Mark.

1880 Census William Reel aged 17 is William Reid as per previous census


James Reid father of William died abt 1865 and Jane Reid nee Mark then emigrated with her son to America and married James Russell Archibald the husband of her sister Mary.


Yet to find out if and when but William Reid emigrated to Canada.

not convincd this is him.


1901 Census of Canada about William Reed
Name: William Reed
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Age: 37
Birth Day & Month: 9 Oct
Birth Year: 1863
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Head
Immigration Year: 1893
Racial or Tribal Origin: Scotch (Scotish)
Nationality: Canadian
Religion: Latter Day Saint
Occupation: Farmer
Province: The Territories
District: Alberta
District Number: 202
Sub-District: Leavitt
Sub-District Number: L2-7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Reed 37
Margret A Reed 21
Winifred J Reed 2



1911 Census of Canada about William M Reed
Name: William M Reed
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Age: 47
Birth Date: Oct 1863
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Margret A Reed
Immigration Year: 1896
Tribal: English
Province: Alberta
District: Medicine Hat
District Number: 4
Sub-District Number: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William M Reed 47
Margret A Reed 32
Winnifred Reed 11
Do Reed 10
Delvie Reed 7
Aldin Reed 4
Perry Reed 2




OneFootInTheGrave

OneFootInTheGrave Report 13 Sep 2012 12:42

Moody Blue

Thank you for that update and for clarifying the William Archibald/William Reid
question.

James

OneFootInTheGrave

OneFootInTheGrave Report 13 Sep 2012 14:57

I seem to have lost the plot following the Sager side of things, I hope this makes sense:-

1880 United States Federal Census about Daniel Sager
Name: Daniel Sager
Age: 7m

Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Sager 50 Grocer
Jane Sager 30
>>>>>>>>>Elizabeth Sager 14
Samuel Sager 8
Henry Sager 5
Angiline Sager 3
>>>>>>>>>>>>Daniel Sager 7m

If I have followed the sequence correctly, Samuel was maried to Malinda and the above Daniel and Elizabeth I can identify, but I am struggling to work out where Jane 30, Samuel 8, Henry 5, and Angelina 3 fit in, are these all children of Samuel & Malinda?

James

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 13 Sep 2012 15:12

James,
We are certain that Jane ( age30) and Melinda are the same person.

Samuel's wife on previous and on subsequent returns is entered as Melinda or Melinda J.
Only 1880 is different, but her age is correct.
The 1880 return is faded, but it does indeed look like she has been entered as Jane.

Edit:
From memory, these are all children born to Samuel and Melinda.
A later return has a child of Angelia on it, (Jennie Miller) entered as grandchild of Melinda
2nd Edit
Samuel died between 1900 and 1910. Melinda is widowed at 1910 and her granddaughter Jennie Miller is living with her
Anne

OneFootInTheGrave

OneFootInTheGrave Report 13 Sep 2012 15:49

Thanks Anne,

I think I have got my head round that now and hopefully posted to tree correctly.

Looking at the Sager's, can you recall if we ever found out the surnames of these wives?

Peter Sager/Elizabeth ???
Samuel Sager/Malinda ???

I am seeing double looking at all these Sager's and Marks :-(

James

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 13 Sep 2012 16:11

Hi James,
We haven't found the maiden names yet for either Elizabeth or Melinda.

Anne

OneFootInTheGrave

OneFootInTheGrave Report 14 Sep 2012 16:51

Think I have added all the Sager's I am confident with to my tree, fingers crossed. I also read some where that it was common practice for Germans called Muller to change their name once they were in the uS to Miller.

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 16 Sep 2012 11:39

Harrison Sagar............son of Peter Sagar, brother of Samuel Sagar

This one for reference:-


1850 United States Federal Census about Harrison Sager
Name: Harrison Sager
Age: 16
Birth Year: abt 1834
Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Home in 1850: Sewickley, Westmoreland, Pennsylvania
Gender: Male
Family Number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
Peter Sager 42
Elizabeth Sager 38
Henry Sager 21
Samuel Sager 18
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Harrison Sager 16
Daniel Sager 14
Alexander Sager 12
Eli Sager 10
George Sager 8
Peter Sager 5
William E Sager 1


1860 United States Federal Census about Harrison Sager
Name: Harrison Sager
Age in 1860: 25
Birth Year: abt 1835
Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Home in 1860: West Newton, Westmoreland, Pennsylvania
Gender: Male
Post Office: West Newton
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members:
Name Age
Harrison Sager 25 lab paper mills
Elvira Sager 24
John F Sager 5/12



1870 United States Federal Census about Harrison Sager
Name: Harrison Sager
Age in 1870: 35
Birth Year: abt 1835
Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Home in 1870: Hempfield, Westmoreland, Pennsylvania
Race: White
Gender: Male
Post Office: Greensburg
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members:
Name Age
Harrison Sager 35 working in Flouring mills
Eliza Sager 34 wife
John Sager 10 son
Emma Sager 8 daughter
Missouri Sager 4 daughter
Emry Sager 31 peddler




1880 United States Federal Census about Harrison Sager
Name: Harrison Sager
Age: 45
Birth Year: abt 1835
Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Home in 1880: Elizabeth, Allegheny, Pennsylvania
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Eliza Sager
Father's Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Mother's Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Miller
Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane:

View image
Household Members:
Name Age
Harrison Sager 45 Miller
Eliza Sager 43
John F Sager 25
Emma E Sager 14
Missouri B Sager 12




1900 United States Federal Census about Harrison Sager
Name: Harrison Sager
Age: 67
Birth Date: Jan 1833
Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Home in 1900: Elizabeth, Allegheny, Pennsylvania
[Allegheny]
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Eliza Sager
Marriage Year: 1860
Years Married: 40
Father's Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Mother's Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Harrison Sager 67 invalid
Eliza Sager 66




U.S. Civil War Soldiers, 1861-1865 about Harrison Sager
Name: Harrison Sager
Side: Union
Regiment State/Origin: Pennsylvania
Regiment Name: 155 Pennsylvania Inf.
Regiment Name Expanded: 155th Regiment, Pennsylvania Infantry
Company: F
Rank In: Private
Rank In Expanded: Private
Rank Out: Private
Rank Out Expanded: Private
Film Number: M554 roll 105


U.S. Civil War Soldiers, 1861-1865 about Harrison Sagar
Name: Harrison Sagar
Side: Union
Regiment State/Origin: Veteran Reserve Corps
Regiment Name: 2 Batt'n. Veteran Res. Corps
Regiment Name Expanded: 2nd Battalion, Veteran Reserve Corps
Company: 109
Rank In: Private
Rank In Expanded: Private
Rank Out: Private
Rank Out Expanded: Private
Alternate Name: Harrison/Sager
Film Number: M636 roll 35/36


1890 Veterans Schedules about Harrison Sager
Veteran's Name: Harrison Sager
Home in 1890 (Township, County, State): Elizabeth, Allegheny, Pennsylvania
Year enlisted: 1862
Year discharged: 1865
Rank: Private
Company: View image
Regiment or vessel: View image
Length of Service: View image


Pennsylvania, Veterans Burial Cards, 1777-1999 about Harrison Sager
Name: Harrison Sager
Birth Date: 27 Nov 1832
Death Date: 19 Oct 1916
Age: 83
Military Branch: Army
Veteran of Which War: U.S. Civil War
Cemetery Name: Mount Vernon Cemetery
Cemetery Location: Elizabeth Township; Allegheny County, Pennsylvania


OneFootInTheGrave

OneFootInTheGrave Report 16 Sep 2012 16:01

Hi Moody Blue,

Harrison Sager 45 Miller
Eliza Sager 43 - Do you think this is Harrison Wife ? and if so these would be
their Children ?

John F Sager 25
Emma E Sager 14
Missouri B Sager 12

Regards,

James

Moody Blue

Moody Blue Report 16 Sep 2012 22:38

Yes James, I do.

OneFootInTheGrave

OneFootInTheGrave Report 17 Sep 2012 17:08

Anne,

From the information you sent me on William Scott and Annie Mitchell I have updated this on to my tree.

Thanks Again,

James