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Only from the censuses Charlotte. George and Caroline were living there in 1881 and 1891, so I've assumed they must also have been there in 1886 when John got married.

Hi Christina

I was wondering where you got the information from to see who he was living with in 1886?

Thanks

Charlotte

The people John was living with at 6, Willway Street (when he got married) were George and Caroline Hellyar (sometimes spelled Hillyar - but not Hollier).

This isn't your John, but I wondered if there was a family connection.

1871 census - Bedminster, Bristol

Edward G. Hollier married Eliza Sayer in 1862 in Bedminster, Bristol

Name: Edward G Hollier
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Eliza Hollier
Gender: Male
Where born: Burrington, Somerset, England
Civil parish: Bedminster
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Registration district: Bedminster
Sub-registration district: Bedminster
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Household schedule number: 79
Piece: 2508
Folio: 59
Page Number: 11
Household Members: Name Age
Edward G Hollier
30
Eliza Hollier
38
John E G Hollier
7
Betsey Sayer
74
William I Sayer
14

This one????

1881 Census

Name: John Mayers
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Bristol, Gloucestershire, England

Civil parish: Swindon
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England

Street Address: 6 Linslade St

Occupation: Carpenters Labourer

Registration district: Highworth
Sub-registration district: Swindon

William Perry 49
Caroline Perry 55
William Scott 24
John Mayers 19
William B. Palmer 12
Walter Palmer 6



I looked at the image on ancestry, and it is very clearly Mayers


This also appears to be the same guy in 1901 ..............


1901 Census

Name: John Mayers
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Catherine Mayers
Gender: Male
Where born: Bristol

Civil parish: Poplar
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Poplar
Sub-registration district: Poplar

John Mayers 40 Boiler Maker
Catherine Mayers 36
Elsie Mayers 6
John Mayers 4
May Legging 8


Again, it is clearly Mayers on the image.


Having said that, these are the only 2 censuses where John Mayers appears


????? This could be his birth registration ...............

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about John Mayers

Name: John Mayers
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1861
Registration district: Clifton
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 65






sylvia

sorry to post again but I have just found a John Mayers in the 1881 census born bristol and the correct age could this possibly a spelling mistake and be a Sayers??????

Going back to this thread again I have tried a few different options but still nothing but I have just found one of johns daughters eliza may, her full name was Eliza May Hollier Sayers!!
This is quite an unusual middle name do you think it could be of some significance?

Thanks

Charlotte

Sorry everyone for the confusion

Yes its only pre 1891 im really interested in and trying to trace Johns Birth and his family

:)

because Charlotte started another thread, and no-one realised that the work had already been done


.......... although, to be fair, Charlotte did say above that she had the 1901 and 1911 censuses, it was pre-1891 information that she wanted. :-D



sylvia

Why are we repeating information that has already been given, when we are just trying to work out what is going on?

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1308849

Showing as Jack in 1911?
SAYER, Jack Head Married M 49 1862 Ashman Shirchapton Glostershire
SAYER, Elizabeth Wife Married 27 years F 50 1861 Assisting With Home Wakket Som
SAYER, Jack Son Single M 20 1891 Cok Dealer Fox Lane Bristol
SAYER, Eliza Daughter Single F 17 1894 Pickle Maker Baptist Street Bristol
SAYER, George Son M 12 1899 School Fox Lane Bristol
SAYER, William Son M 9 1902 School Charles Street Bristol
SAYER, Robert Son M 7 1904 School Charles Street Bristol
SAYER, James Son M 3 1908 Charles Street Bristol

RG number: RG14 Piece: 15002 Reference: RG14PN15002 RG78PN906 RD319 SD6 ED5 SN183
Registration District: Bristol Sub District: St Philip and St Jacob Enumeration District: 5 Parish: Bristol
Address: 57 Baptist St Bristol County: Gloucestershire

(Not clear which children are definitely alive and living with them, as some crossed out, claims 5 living, 3 died)
Shirhampton is Clifton, Bristol.

If your only clue to his father is from the marriage certificate ................


....... don't forget that many people told porkies when getting married.


If they were illegitimate, or gather had died or left when they were very young ........ they would give "a" name on the certificate .............. it looks better for the in-laws!



The name could be made-up, it could be the name of a grandfather, or other male relative, a well-known figure in the town or area, etc etc





sylvia

How does this birth registration fit????


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about John Sayers

Name: John Sayers
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1862
Registration district: Newent
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 218





sylvia

They are from the smith family thomas and harriett

Charlotte

Please wil you tell us the names of the witnesses at the marriage of John to Elizabeth Ann.?
They might help find the family...

Gwyn

No I cant seem to find a birth that quite matches dates and place!!!! :-S

Have you found a possible birth for him in free bmd?

Its on the marriage certificate I ordered for John Sayer and Elizabeth

Charlotte

We need to check what information is available to try to find the missing censuses.
How do you know his father is John?

Thanks for this

I have them in the 1901 and 1911 census but it was mainly before 1891 I was struggling with