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Allan Trevor

Allan Trevor Report 11 Sep 2012 12:32

I have discovered with the help of the community board that my wifes paternal grandmother died in 1906 in the Manorhamilton Workhouse Co. Leitrim. previuos attempts to locate records were not successful. Does any one have any advice on how or where I could look to find details of the reason this lady was in a workhouse at only 28 years old and was a tenant farmers wife. (Census record 1911 house number 5 Carrickrevagh refers). Allan

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 11 Sep 2012 15:37

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Manorhamilton/

Leitrim County Library, Main Street, Ballinamore, Co. Leitrim. Holdings: Minute books (1839-1923); Rough minute books (1839-57); Agenda books (1861-76, 1899-1900); Labourers’ Act minute books (1886-90); Letter books – incoming letters (1870-92, some gaps); Letter books – outgoing letters (1882-83; 1904-08); Accounts (1852-86, major gaps); Relieving officer’s diary (1880-84); Treasurer’s rate-in-aid cash book (1849-53); Register of common lodging houses (1889-96).

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 11 Sep 2012 15:46

There is no death showing on the Familysearch indexes to match the information that you have given (unless Regan was her maiden surname?). Only these

name: Anne Regan
registration district: Manorhamilton
event type: DEATHS
registration quarter and year: Oct - Dec 1906
estimated birth year: 1816
age (at death): 90
volume number: 2
page number: 159
digital folder number: 4201707


name: Annie Regan
registration district: Manorhamilton
event type: DEATHS
registration quarter and year: Oct - Dec 1911
estimated birth year: 1886
age (at death): 25
volume number: 2
page number: 135
digital folder number: 4201709


name: Anne Regan
registration district: Manorhamilton
event type: DEATHS
registration quarter and year: Oct - Dec 1911
estimated birth year: 1829
age (at death): 82
volume number: 2
page number: 135
digital folder number: 4201709



If you have her death certificate, does it actually say that she died in the Workhouse? Or could it be that the district where she died was Manorhamilton?

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 11 Sep 2012 15:50

Allan - who is at that address (house number 5 Carrickrevagh) in 1911?

It's not easy to try to search the Irish census by address.

I did find this by googling but can't see a connection:

Residents of a house 5 in Carrickrevagh (Glenfarn, Leitrim)

Scollan Owen 69 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Leitrim Farmer Read and write English Widower - - - -
Scollan Patrick 38 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Leitrim Farmer Read and write English Married - 10 4 4
Scollan Bridget 30 Female Daughter in Law Roman Catholic Co Leitrim - Read and write English Married - 10 4 4
Scollan Owen 9 Male Grand Son Roman Catholic Co Leitrim Scholar Read and write English Single - - - -
Scollan Mary 3 Female Grand Daughter Roman Catholic Co Leitrim - Cannot read English Single - - - -
Scollan James 2 Male Grand Son Roman Catholic Co Leitrim - Cannot read English Single - - - -
Scollan Maggie 1 Female Grand Daughter Roman Catholic

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 11 Sep 2012 15:57

In 1901 there was this family:

Residents of a house 2 in Carrickrevagh (Glenfarne, Leitrim)
Show all information
Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses
Scollion Patrick 26 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Leitrim Farmer Read and write - Married -
Scollion Annie 19 Female Wife Roman Catholic Co Leitrim Farmers Wife Read and write - Married -
Scollion Mary Anne 19 Female Sister Roman Catholic

Patrick was a farmer.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 11 Sep 2012 15:58

Good job I took the cover off me crystal ball:

Ireland, Civil Registration Deaths Index, 1864-1958
Name: Anne Scollan
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1906
Death Age: 28
Registration district: Manor Hamilton
Death Country: Ireland
Volume: 2
Page: 161
FHL Film Number: 0101603

Ireland, Civil Registration Marriages Index, 1845-1958
Name: Patrick Scollan
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1900
Registration district: Manor Hamilton
Volume: 2
Page: 200 (click to see others on page)
FHL Film Number: 101259

There's an Anne Regan on the page.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 11 Sep 2012 16:00

That looks like the family MarieCeleste as this looks to be the wife's death in 1906 aged 28 years.

name: Anne Scollan
registration district: Manorhamilton
event type: DEATHS
registration quarter and year: Oct - Dec 1906
estimated birth year: 1878
age (at death): 28
volume number: 2
page number: 161
digital folder number: 4201707

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 11 Sep 2012 16:04

Yes, well done MarieCeleste. You should hire out that crystal ball!

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 11 Sep 2012 16:05

Nah, Rootie - far too valuable to me, off to give it a rub.

Allan Trevor

Allan Trevor Report 11 Sep 2012 16:16

these are all fantastic aids to the search for our family history. She died of "melancholia two years" and "paralysis six months" "certified". the informant was J Mckenna (I think) "occupier" Workhouse Manorhamilton on 28 November 1906.
MarieCeleste, you are correct with the family names., Mary, James, and Maggie then emigrated to USA in the late 1920's. (oh I wish I could find their descendants!) Owen (9) was my wifes father,and here there was a complication which caused us much consternation, my wifes maiden is Scallon and not Scollan. a lesson in not believing the spellings which are being used!
Peter thanks for the info about the hospital possibility. I thought the Workhouses were only for those destitute.
Rootgatherer thanks for the website. i had not seen that one. Allan

Allan Trevor

Allan Trevor Report 11 Sep 2012 16:25

While I was typing the above, more came in and I repeat my thanks to you all.
Allan.

All I have to do now is find the Scollans in USA. I do have James's application for residence. He was in New york at the time and was a carpet layer.
Allan

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 11 Sep 2012 16:32

So that's James Scollan born 1909 that we're looking for in the US .....

When was his application for residence?

EDIT: Found it

Selected U.S. Naturalization Records - Original Documents, 1790-1974
Name: James Scollan
State: New York
Court Type: District Court
Court Location: Southern District, New York
Naturalization Record Type: Petition for Naturalization
Naturalization Record Number: 197216

Carpetcutter, living 11428 Leland Ave, Bronx.
Born July 16 1908, Leitrim
Arrived USA 8 March 1927 on the Cameronia
Not married at this time.

He must be on a census somewhere ....

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 11 Sep 2012 16:40

The year on this death is 1 out, but the date is the same:

Social Security Death Index
Name: James Scollan
SSN: 068-09-3739
Born: 16 Jul 1909
Died: Sep 1960
State (Year) SSN issued: New York (Before 1951)

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 11 Sep 2012 16:43

His arrival:

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: James Scollan
Arrival Date: 8 Mar 1927
Birth Year: abt 1910
Birth Location: Ireland
Birth Location Other: glenfarne co leitrim
Age: 17
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Irish
Port of Departure: Londonderry
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Cameronia

His nok in Ireland was his aunt Mrs Catherine Leonard, Carrickrevagh, Glenfarne, Leitrim. He was a farm labourer.

He was joining his uncle Mr Patrick Cullen (that must be his stepmother's brother) at 146 West 64th Street, New York.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 11 Sep 2012 17:42

Think this is him in 1940:

1940 United States Federal Census
Name: James Scallan
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1910
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birthplace: Eire
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Home in 1940: New York, Bronx, New York
Street: Grand Avenue
Farm: No
Inferred Residence in 1935: New York, Bronx, New York
Residence in 1935: Same Place, Bronx
Citizenship: Naturalized
Sheet Number: 9A
Number of Household in Order of Visitation: 200
Neighbors:

Household Members:
Name Age
James Scallan 30 - Carpet Layer in department store.
Rose Scallan 28

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 11 Sep 2012 17:54

This looks like Mary's naturalisation:

Selected U.S. Naturalization Records - Original Documents, 1790-1974
Name: Mary Travers [Mary Scollan]
State: New York
Court Type: District Court
Court Location: Southern District, New York
Naturalization Record Type: Petition for Naturalization
Naturalization Record Number: 412275

She was born Mary Scollan 18 July 1908 in Leitrim.
She arrived in USA 16 January 1926 on SS Laconia.
Married her husband John Travers 04 February 1929 in New York. (He was born 15 May 1907 in Leitrim).
Their daughter Mary was born 22 November 1932 in New York.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 11 Sep 2012 18:05

Mary and new husband in 1930:

1930 United States Federal Census about Mary Travers
Name: Mary Travers
Gender: Female
Birth Year: abt 1908
Birthplace: Ireland Free State
Race: White
Home in 1930: Manhattan, New York, New York

Marital Status: Married
Immigration Year: 1926
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Travers
Father's Birthplace: Ireland Free State
Mother's Birthplace: Ireland
Occupation:
Education:
Military Service:
Rent/home value:
Age at first marriage: 21
Parents' birthplace: Ireland
Neighbors:

Household Members:
Name Age
John Travers 22 - Shipping clerk in a laundry
Mary Travers 22

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 11 Sep 2012 18:20

I think this may be them in 1940 (Molly can be a nickname for Mary):

1940 United States Federal Census

Name: John Travers
Respondent: Yes
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1908
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birthplace: Eire
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Home in 1940: New York, Bronx, New York
View Map
Street: Taylor Avenue
House Number: 1618
Inferred Residence in 1935: New York, Bronx, New York
Residence in 1935: Same Place
Citizenship: Having first papers
Sheet Number: 10B
Number of Household in Order of Visitation: 308
Neighbors:

Household Members:
Name Age
John Travers 32 - apartment superintendant
Molly Travers 31 - hospital nurse
Mary Travers 7

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 11 Sep 2012 18:31

Have deleted an earlier arrival I posted for Mary, which I now think is wrong. This is the correct one and matches her naturalisation:

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Mary Scallan
Arrival Date: 16 Jan 1926
Birth Year: abt 1909
Birth Location: Ireland
Birth Location Other: glenfarne
Age: 17
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Irish
Port of Departure: Londonderry
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Cameronia

She's a domestic and her next of kin (Bridget Scollan) and destination (Patrick Cullen) is the same as for James' 1927 arrival.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 11 Sep 2012 18:50

Maggie's arrival in US:

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Maggie Scollan
Arrival Date: 5 Mar 1929
Birth Year: abt 1911
Birth Location: Ireland
Birth Location Other: glenfarne
Age: 18
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Irish
Port of Departure: Londonderry
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Cameronia

A domestic, had resided Manorhamilton. Also going to uncle Patrick Cullen. Gives her step-mother as Bridget KEANY, Carrickrevagh.

(It looks as though she'd been booked on a ship the year before but hadn't travelled)