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Thanks - I'll give that a try.

Hello Ashleigh, welcome to the boards.

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Hi,
Not sure if you're still looking for information.
John Ricketts Davies, born about 1861 llandefalle was the half brother of my 3 x Great Grandmother.
John died in 1946. His son was William Ricketts Davies. William was born to John and Annie in ynysybwl about 1895. William married Margaret. William died in abercynon in 1966.
Regards
Ashleigh

Just found this baptism record for John.

John Ricketts
Davies
1861
Feb
11th
Llandyfalle
Brecknockshire
Fathers forename William
Mothers forename Catherine

So I presume he wasn't illigitimate after all

I have a bit of an update. I think the witnesses on the marriage certificate (Thomas and Sarah Ann Jones) could have been sister and brother in law to John. They were married in Pontypridd in June 1883. I have found out John Ricketts Davies was born in March 1861. And I am going with the theory that he and Annie Bufton were both illigitimate. I think Johns father could have been a local farmer called John Ricketts. I am struggling to find anything about either of them before they married. BMD Records show Annie was born in 1867 in Rhayader, but different census records give her birthplace as Talachddu or Llanbadarn Fawr or Radnorshire!!! Is it worth me buying their birth certificates? What information is on a birth certificate, bearing in mind their marriage certificate hasn't helped me find their parents names.

I have found records of Annie Bufton attending Llanbister Cantal School in 1880s. I can't seem to find anything in the 1881 census for her. Can anyone help?

Ah right! Ok so now I have to try to find their mothers. This is going to be hard I think, but I'm always up for a challenge!
At least I've got a little bit more information for my tree.

So probably not known............which would suggest that both were illegitimate

There are no names, just says deceased for both of them

Even though the fathers were recorded as deceased, they still would have had names.........what were they?

1861 census for Llandefalley brecknock has a John Ricketts born 1810, farmer of 510 acres married with a houseful of relatives/servants. One of them was Marriann Davies. I'm thinking she could have had his son and called him John Ricketts Davies. Is this possible I wonder?

I take it the Jones ar the witnesses? Do you know who they were? If not, might be worth trying to work out where they fit in! Were there no names at all then for either of their fathers? The next option would be to buy both of their birth certificates!

Thomas Jones and Sarah Anne Jones

They should sill list their names though whether they are deceased or not! Who were the witnesses listed?

Any ideas what I can do next?

Received the marriage certificate and I'm gutted! Fathers of John and Annie are both deceased!
JohnRicketts Davies Batchelor Miller Living in Pontypridd
Annie Bufton Spinster Livving in Carburthy Talachddn

Just ordered copy of marriage certificate, can't wait to see what's on it

Thanks everyone for your help, I think I'm going to have to buy a copy of his marriage certificate, as you can see there are quite a few John Davies's!

1861 from fmp
DAVIES, William Head Married M 40 1821 Farmer Of 100acres Employing Man
Llandefalle, County of Brecon VIEW
DAVIES, Catherine Wife Married F 40 1821 Farmers Wife
County of Brecon, 30 Years Back From Could VIEW
JENKINS, Mary J Daughter Unmarried F 16 1845 Farmers Daughter
Llandefalle, County of Brecon VIEW
JENKINS, William R Son Unmarried M 14 1847 Farmers Son
Llandefalle, County of Brecon VIEW
JENKINS, Elizabeth Daughter F 13 1848 Farmers Daughter
Llandefalle, County of Brecon VIEW
JENKINS, James H Son M 11 1850 Farmers Son
Llandefalle, County of Brecon VIEW
JENKINS, Catherine R Daughter F 4 1857
Llandefalle, County of Brecon VIEW
D, Ann Daughter F 2 1859
Llandefalle, County of Brecon VIEW
D, John R Son M 0 (3M) 1861 Son
Llandefalle, County of Brecon VIEW
BOWEN, Elinore Servant Unmarried F 20 1841 Servant House Servant
County of Brecon VIEW

Piece: 4214

Folio: 82

Page: 1

Registration District: Brecknock

Civil Parish: Llandefalley

Municipal Borough:

Address: Velinfach Inn, Llandefalley

County: Brecknockshire

In my opinion, the 1861 should record his name as Davies

Marriages Dec 1853 (>99%)
Davies William Brecknock 11b 217
Jenkins Catherine Brecknock 11b 217
PRICE Maria Brecknock 11b 217
RICKETTS Roger Brecknock 11b 217