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David Ian

David Ian Report 16 Sep 2012 13:23

could any one help am trying to find how to locate prison records or court records
i had a relative who was in prison in 1891 in armley jail on that census and again in prison in 1901 at portland prison have tried newspapers but as i dont no where he was convicted it slow going all i no is that he lived in bradford and his name is thomas egan born 1871 any help would be great

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 16 Sep 2012 13:29

care to give us his details in case we can help?

David Ian

David Ian Report 16 Sep 2012 13:47

hi all i no is his name thomas egan born 1871 bradford his father was michael egan b1846 and his mother was honora b1847 on the 1891 census he was in armley jail leeds and later in portland jail on 1901 census i would love to no what he was connvicted of as i have found out portland prison was only for very serious crime many thanks david hullah

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 16 Sep 2012 13:53

nice to have a crim in the family - I have quite a few - I'll see what I can find

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 16 Sep 2012 13:54

just for the record

Thomas Egan
England and Wales Census, 1881
birth: 1871 Bradford,? Yorkshire,? England
census: 1881 Horton,? Yorkshire (West Riding),? England
parents: Michael Egan,? Honarah Egan


name: Thomas Egan
age: 10
gender: Male
birth year: 1871
birthplace: Bradford, Yorkshire, England
relationship to head of household: Son
marital condition: Single
profession/occupation: Scholar
address: 40 Adelaide St
census place: Horton, Yorkshire (West Riding), England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1342067
the national archives reference: RG11
piece/folio: 4460 / 140
page number: 33

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 16 Sep 2012 13:55

Thomas Egan
England and Wales Census, 1901
birth: 1872 Bradford,? Yorkshire
census: 31 Mar 1901 Portland,? Dorsetshire,? England


name: Thomas Egan
event: Census
event date: 31 Mar 1901
gender: Male
age: 29
relationship to head of household: Convict
birthplace: Bradford, Yorkshire
record type: Institution
registration district: Weymouth
sub-district: Portland
ecclesiastical parish: St Peters
civil parish: Portland
county: Dorsetshire

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 16 Sep 2012 13:57

Hello David Ian, do you have any idea what this chap's occupation was when he wasn't in prison? Also did he marry, and if so - who to?

There are quite a few articles in the newspapers for the 1890s so if you have any additional info then it might help us see if they're the right ones.

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 16 Sep 2012 13:59

Portland Convict Prison, 1901 Index of Prisoners, Surnames A - K
Search for inmates and prisoners at Portland Convict Prison, Dorset England from a 1901 list of ... Thomas Egan 1872 Bradford, Yorkshire William John Elder 1879 Scotland
www.blacksheepancestors.com/uk/?portland.shtml - Cached

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 16 Sep 2012 14:00

well he's listed but it doesn't say for what crime

David Ian

David Ian Report 16 Sep 2012 14:10

yes you have the correct person and yes i had seen the blacksheep anncesters item but as you say doesnt give his connviction he was slaters labourer and he married teresa murray in 1897 in bradford and they had two sons john thomas my grandfather and his brother joseph i have tried for years to find anything about his connvictions but am well and truley stuck many thanks for you help david

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 16 Sep 2012 14:20

Possibly:

Yorkshire Evening Post - Tuesday 5 December 1899

At the Leeds Assizes this afternoon, Thomas Egan 28, labourer, was found guilty on a charge of violently assaulting Robert Goodall at Bradford on September 27.
He was committed to penal servitude for five years.

Flip

Flip Report 16 Sep 2012 14:22

You beat me to it MC! I'll try & download the article & PM it - it also states he was given 5 years due to his "having a bad record"

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 16 Sep 2012 14:24

Flip - you've obviously found the more detailed record that I've just come across.

Got to be the same chap!

Flip

Flip Report 16 Sep 2012 14:31

It was the following days newspaper - Sept 6th. Have downloaded and will PM to David.

Flip

Flip Report 16 Sep 2012 14:36

David, I've tried to send the article via GR but it won't go through (or I don't think it has). If you PM me your e-mail address I'll send it that way.

Flip

Flip Report 16 Sep 2012 15:13

OK David, article sent (hopefully), however despite his "bad record" I can't see anything in the newspaper articles for his previous conviction(s), which is unusual because the Bradford newspaper archive is online - as are many others, but nothing on him prior 1881-1891.

Just thought, which I haven't checked yet, he may have had previous convictions between 1891 and 1899 which would give him a "bad record" Will check it out.

Incidently, Lancashire libraries have the online 19c newspapers - it's free to join and it doesn't matter where you live, you can apply for a card and browse their collections.

Flip

Flip Report 16 Sep 2012 15:46

No sign of any other criminal reports betwen1891-1901 though, so sorry can't be of any further help. Nothing that I can find on national archives either.

Flip

Flip Report 16 Sep 2012 15:53

Shame isn't it - back then robbery with violence was for stealing a watch, whilst drunk! Bit like stealing a mobile phone these days -but you only get a slap on the wrist One of my ancestors got jailed for stealing a chicken - he was 10 years old!

What times they must have lived in.

Flip

Flip Report 16 Sep 2012 16:51

David did you get the PM with the article? It's just I had problems uploading it and just wanted to check you'd receved ti ok.

Flip

Flip Report 16 Sep 2012 22:52

PM from David thanking me for the file.

However, I can't see anything about his earlier convictions, maybe someone else can have more luck?? He must have had previous to have been in jail in 1891.