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ha Dea! Yes two matches...I support Leeds but I am from Newport....hope they never are at the same level because then I WOULD be torn

Jude

1911
MCCALL, William Head Married M 40 1871 Sailor Worker Hampshire Winchester
MCCALL, Katherine Wife Married17 years F 42 1869 Hampshire Winchester
MCCALL, Kathleen Daughter Single F 16 1895 Milliner Hampshire Winchester
MCCALL, Reginald Son M 12 1899 School Hampshire Winchester
MCCALL, Dorothy Daughter F 10 1901 School Hampshire Winchester
MCCALL, Patrick Son M 5 1906 School Hampshire Winchester
MACKLIN, George Father In Law Married M 76 1835 Retired Bricklayer Hampshire Winchester
MACKLIN, Louisa Mother In Law Married58 years F 75 1836 Hampshire Alresford
STILES, Wilfred Kindred Visitor Single M 25 1886 Caterer Kensington Mdx
RG number: RG14
Piece: 6122
Reference: RG14PN6122 RG78PN283 RD103 SD2 ED9 SN131
Registration District: Winchester
Sub District: Winchester
Enumeration District: 9
Parish: Winchester
Address: 26 St Thomas St Winchester
County: Hampshire

Marriages Sep 1893 (>99%)
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Macklin Elizabeth Catherine Winchester 2c 233
McCall William Winchester 2c 233


(just throwing above in the 'pot', wondered if it was the Witness, given the area?)


Marriages Jun 1908 (>99%)
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HEYEL Lilian Bristol 6a 116
Owen Herbert George Bristol 6a 116

(the above, is also in Hampshire 1911, if Bristol connects!)

Certainly Baffling!...

Chris :)

I wonder???

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 about Miss C Maney
Name: Miss C Maney
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 23 Apr 1912
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ship Name: Minnewaska
Search Ship Database: View the 'Minnewaska' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Atlantic Transport Line
Official Number: 124674

Dea x

Chris - I'd be more inclined to think it was the daughter Katherine who was the witness - a girl's best friend could well be here milliner!

Jude

I followed Lilian Heyel who married the other witness and her father Frederick was a musician so another 'possible' link to a 'Theatrical Manager' ??

None of it is getting us any further though :-( :-(

Dea x

There is a website somewhere which gives details from some sort of stage and theatre magazine from years past but I am blowed if I can find it !!

Does anyone know of it ?

Dea x

Morning,

Dea I suppose that could be a possibility.

Chris I had'nt thought of looking up the witnesses either as I was consentrating on blimmin Lottie!!

You should ALWAYS follow witnesses Mel - they can often be family members!

I found Katherine but could not see a connection but I wasn't sure which Herbert Owen it was but the one Chris found looks like a good match.

Maybe Edward 'was' Frederick Heyel's 'manager' ??

Dea x

Dea...I found Katherine but could not see a connection

As I said she was a milliner...a gal's best friend maybe!

Jude

Could be Jude ;-) :-D

Dea x

I'd like to thank everyone for helping in the search for Lottie and her family.I think we have found the right people now.What a mystery Lottie has been lol
The clincher for me was the mention of 'Theatre Attendant'.I know for sure Lottie was working at a theatre in Bristol in 1911 as I have her autograph book of all the performers
Thank you so much everyone, and to Mel for putting the info on here.It is so good to solve a mystery :-D :-D

BIDEFORD WAR MEMORIAL 1939 - 1945
W. D. COLE 553895 Sergeant Walter Douglas Cole (Wireless operator/ Air Gunner) RAF. Son of Alfie and Lottie Cole. Born in Bideford in the March Quarter of 1923. Died 16 November 1943 aged 20. Buried in the Churchyard of St. Mary's. Bideford.


Births Mar 1923 (>99%)
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Cole Walter D Maney Bideford 5b 708


(haven't checked earlier postings, is above related?)


1911 (other witness?)
WHITFIELD, George Head Married3 years M 39 1872 Mariner Yachting Southampton Hants
WHITFIELD, Jessie Kate Wife Married F 38 1873 Southampton Hants
WHITFIELD, Rose Kathleen Daughter F 1 1910 Southampton Hants
UPHILL, Percy Gordon Nephew M 8 1903 Wood Green London N
OWEN, Herbert George Visitor Married3 years M 25 1886 Horse Dirver Bristol Gloster
OWEN, Lillian Visitor Married F 25 1886 Bristol Gloster
OWEN, Lillian May Visitor Married F 2 1909 Bath Somerset
RG number: RG14
Piece: 5990
Reference: RG14PN5990 RG78PN274 RD99 SD2 ED2 SN88
Registration District: Southampton
Sub District: Southampton Western
Enumeration District: 2
Parish: Shirley
Address: 69 Milton Road Southampton
County: Hampshire

England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
about Lilian Heyel
Name: Lilian Heyel
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 17 Jun 1885
Christening Date: 2 Aug 1885
Christening Place: Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Age at Christening: 0
Father's Name: Frederick Heyel
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Exon


(just adding the above, sorry a bit late!)

Chris :)

COLE, WALTER DOUGLAS
Rank:Sergeant
Trade:W.Op./Air Gnr.
Service No:553895
Date of Death:16/11/1943
Age:20
Regiment/Service:Royal Air Force
Grave Reference Sec. D. Row 12. Grave 19.
Cemetery BIDEFORD CHURCH CEMETERY
Additional Information:
Son of Alfred John and Lottie Cole, of Stoneygate, Leicestershire.

(perhaps not?)

1901 census for Charlotte, in case you don't have it....


1901 England Census
Name: Charlotte A Maney
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: London, England

Civil parish: Bristol
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael and All Angels
Town: Bristol
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street Address:....53 Elton Road.

Occupation: .....General Servant Domestic.


Registration district: Bristol
Sub-registration district: Ashley
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 44
Piece: 2399
Folio: 45
Page Number: 6
Household Members: Name Age
James D Bruce 27 ....Head....Cash Receiver at Bristol Gas Co.......Bradford, Yorkshire
Florence Bruce 27 ....Wife....Bristol
James D Bruce 10 Months....Son....Bristol
Charlotte A Maney 16


As she was still with the Bruces in 1911, but that time listed as 'Niece', maybe Florence was her father's sister.


Marriages Sep 1898 (>99%)
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Baker Charles Richard Bristol 6a 81
>>Bruce James Douglas Bristol 6a 81
Maggs Rose Elizabeth A Bristol 6a 81
>>Maney Florence Bristol 6a 81

Yes the war memorial is the son of Lottie and we have all that info thanks.

Florence Bruce is the sister of the Edward Maney born c1855.

So do you think this is the right Lottie, Charlotte Annie Maney c 1885 whose father was a Waiter continuously through the census??

I am not 'entirely' convinced Mel !

I am continuing to try to find 'proof' but as yet I haven't found it :-(

Nor have I found anything yet to 'disprove' it !

I would really like to find one or the other before I give up totally ;-)

Dea Xxx

Thanks Dea.

It is shopping day for me today.. Yuk :-|

On the 1911 census where Charlotte A is at the Bruce's house she is down as a Theatre Attendant and this is why Jane seems to think this is her Lottie as she has an autograph book of Lottie's with names of certain acters in it but she can't find it at the moment. She's put it somewhere safe!!!! We all do these things don't we. She will probably be looking for something else and find it that way. Thats what usually happens to me.

Dea I have emailed you.

Mel

If anyone is interested in where Lottie (Charlotte) was a Theatre Attendant
Google....It's behind you ,Prince's Theatre Bristol.It gives pics and names of people who appeared on stage over the years..There are quite a few names mentioned that are in the Autograph Book I have that belonged to Lottie.

Well Well Well
I found Lottie's Autograph Book and among the many signatures are a couple of 'Bruces'.One is Florence Bruce :-D The person Lottie was with in 1911.,and I see someone said she was Edward Maney's sister so Lottie's Aunty.So I think the mystery has been solved.
Thanks everyone for you help,and to Mel for putting it on here for me
:-D :-D