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Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 26 Sep 2012 07:21

Name: Percy Arthur Dove
Age in 1911: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil parish: Shoreditch
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 81 Crondall Street, Hoxton N
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 4
Estimated Marriage Year: 1907
Registration district: Shoreditch
Registration District Number: 16
Sub-registration district: Shoreditch South
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Piece: 1331
Household Members: Name Age
Percy Arthur Dove 23
Elizabeth Dove 22
George Arthur Dove 3
Percy William Dove

Chris :)

DOVE, Percy Arthur Head Married4 years M 23 1888 Porter Labourer London Marylebone
DOVE, Elizabeth Wife F 22 1889 London Stepney
DOVE, George Arthur Son M 3 1908 London St Georges in the East
DOVE, Percy William Son M 0 (6 MONTHS) 1911 London St Georges in the East
RG number: RG14
Piece: 1331
Reference: RG14PN1331 RG78PN46 RD16 SD1 ED10 SN110
Registration District: Shoreditch
Sub District: Shoreditch South
Enumeration District: 10
Parish: Shoreditch
Address: 81 Crondall Street Hoxton N
County: London


HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 26 Sep 2012 07:09

I was looking at the Baitrums at number I flicked through the records looking for 81 and it seemed to stop at 63 - what's the reference for the Doves?


Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 26 Sep 2012 07:04

Was it 81 Crondall Street 1911, you are after folks?...

Percy Arthur Dove living there.

Chris :)

(apologies if not, just reading through!)


SylviaInCanada Report 26 Sep 2012 04:54

and ancestry shows a third child ...... also a daughter

England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005 about Lilian M Yoxall

Name: Lilian M Yoxall
Mother's Maiden Surname: Baitrum
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1923
Registration district: Shoreditch
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume Number: 1c
Page Number: 128 (click to see others on page)

freebmd version ................

Births Jun 1923 (>99%)

Yoxall Lilian M Daitrum Shoreditch 1c 128


ChristinaS Report 25 Sep 2012 20:59

No Jude, it's not just you. Charles Baitrum is still living in Crondall Street in 1939, but when you go along the street, it goes no higher than no. 63!!

Christina (Lancashire)

Christina (Lancashire) Report 25 Sep 2012 19:51

Just to add, the 1911 census that Jude posted for Sarah & Charles Baitrum at 43 Crondall Street Hoxton, they are Florence Alice Baitrum's brother & sister.

Christina (Lancashire)

Christina (Lancashire) Report 25 Sep 2012 19:27

This is pure speculation as I have no dates for him, but if this is Joseph's birth....

Births Mar 1917 (>99%)

Hall Joseph H Ponton Shoreditch 1c 56

Then HIS father may well have been Alfred George.....

Marriages Dec 1901 (>99%)

BROOKS Thomas Charles Shoreditch 1c 248
>>>>Hall Alfred George Shoreditch 1c 248
HUTCHENS Betsy Mary Shoreditch 1c 248
>>>>Ponton Annie Shoreditch 1c 248

Christina (Lancashire)

Christina (Lancashire) Report 25 Sep 2012 19:20

Chistine, did Violet marry Joseph H Hall?

What's the name & occupation of Joseph's father?

I'm wondering if it's another case of the fathers names being mixed up, when written onto the marriage cert?

Edward Yoxall, who married Florence Alice Baitrum in 1919, was a French Polisher.

Can't be many Yoxall French Polishers married to Baitrums.


HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 25 Sep 2012 18:29

Other eyes...I can't find Crondall Street beyond number 63 in 1911 census - am i being dull?



christine Report 25 Sep 2012 16:34

thankyou for all the information you havve sent to me on help on marriage,to polly poppet,prickly holly,lancaster ann ,christina lancashire ,shirley,astra.thankyou for all for your research and time .christine


lancashireAnn Report 25 Sep 2012 16:26

probate for the Alfred George who died in 1961

of 27 Manor Drive Manchester d 22 sep 1961. Administration to Thomas Henry Yoxall mattress maker


HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 25 Sep 2012 16:26

This may be of at 43 Crondall Street. She marries William Jones in 1912

Name: Sarah Baitrum
Age in 1911: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation to Head: Sister
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Oxton
Civil parish: Shoreditch
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 43 Crondall St, Hoxton N
Marital Status: Single
Registration district: Shoreditch
Registration District Number: 16
Sub-registration district: Shoreditch South
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Piece: 1337
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Baitrum 19
Sarah Baitrum 21
William Jones 19


lancashireAnn Report 25 Sep 2012 15:57

is this any use to you?

Baptisms: 20 Feb 1898 St Mary, Lancaster, Lancashire, England
Thomas Henry Yoxhall - Child of Frank Yoxhall & Margaret Ann
Born: 9 Dec 1897
Abode: Fairfield Cottage, Lancaster
Occupation: Coachman
Baptised by: W. Bonsey, Vicar
Register: Baptisms 1894 - 1900, Page 90, Entry 719
Source: LDS Film 1526200


Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1898
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
YOXALL Thomas Henry Lancaster Preston ROBINSON LAN/90/36


christine Report 25 Sep 2012 13:30

please help on marriage.cannot find .
between yoxall/baitrum
alfred george yoxall was a french polisher on violet alice marriage cert and home address,
81 crondall st ,shoreditch.
i would be gratefull if any of you could find out more.
thankyou for all your help

Christina (Lancashire)

Christina (Lancashire) Report 24 Sep 2012 22:30

What is Violet's address on her marriage cert?

Edward & Florence Alice Yoxall are living at 35 Newton Grove, Hackney in 1939.

Christina (Lancashire)

Christina (Lancashire) Report 24 Sep 2012 21:43

There is this marriage in the right area for the births listed above. Bride's name at birth is written as Baitrum and on her marriage cert as Bartrum. BUT the groom's name is Edward not Alfred George........

Marriages Dec 1919 (>99%)

>>>Bartrum Florence A Yoxall Shoreditch 1c 169
Blacketer Susan Hayman Shoreditch 1c 169
Hayman Henry Blacketer Shoreditch 1c 169
>>>Yoxall Edward Bartrum Shoreditch 1c 169

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Florence Alice Baitrum
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 16 Jun 1895
Father's Name: Albert George Baitrum ......Sawyer
Mother's Name: Eliza Estha Baitrum
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hoxton St Saviour
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Florence Alice Bartrum
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896
Age: 24
Spouse Name: Edward Yoxall .....French Polisher
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Dec 1920 ....year is 1919 on image
Parish: Shoreditch St Anne
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Albert Bartrum....Sawyer
Spouse Father Name: Edward Yokall.....News vendor
Register Type: Parish Register


PricklyHolly Report 24 Sep 2012 19:46

1911 England Census
about Joseph Yoxall
Name: Joseph Yoxall
Age in 1911: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Windermere, Worcestershire, England
Civil parish: Lancaster
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 9 Earl St Lancaster
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Oil Cloth Worker
Registration district: Lancaster
Registration District Number: 479
Sub-registration district: Lancaster
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Piece: 25550
Household Members: Name Age
Frank Yoxall 40 Coachman (Domestic)
Margret Yoxall 48
Joseph Yoxall 19 Oil cloth Worker
Frank Yoxall 17 Errand Boy
Alfred George Yoxall 15 Labourer
Thomas Henry Yoxall 13
Ruth Sushannah Yoxall 9
(5 children born and living)

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 24 Sep 2012 19:10

Just speculation

Births Sep 1899
Baitrum Alice Shoreditch 1c 76

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 24 Sep 2012 19:07

looks like Violet had a sister
Births Dec 1921
Yoxall Emily G Baitrum Shoreditch 1c 96

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 24 Sep 2012 18:57

Heres Alfred on the 1901 census

1901 census transcription details for: 9, Earl Street, Lancaster

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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 3991
Folio: 105
Page: 34
Reg. District: Lancaster
Sub District: Lancaster
Parish: Lancaster
Enum. District: 32
Ecclesiastical District: Skerton St Luke
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 9, Earl Street, Lancaster
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
YOXALL, Frank Head Married M 31 1870 Coachman (Not Domestic)
Tarbigge, Worcestershire
YOXALL, Margt Ann Wife Married F 40 1861
Ambleside, Westmorland
YOXALL, Joseph Son M 9 1892
Ambleside, Westmorland
YOXALL, Frank Son M 7 1894
Haverthwaite, Lancashire
YOXALL, Alfred George Son M 5 1896
Haverthwaite, Lancashire
YOXALL, Thos Hy Son M 3 1898
Lancaster, Lancashire