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HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 25 Sep 2012 18:29

Other eyes...I can't find Crondall Street beyond number 63 in 1911 census - am i being dull?

Jude

Christina (Lancashire)

Christina (Lancashire) Report 25 Sep 2012 19:20

Chistine, did Violet marry Joseph H Hall?

What's the name & occupation of Joseph's father?

I'm wondering if it's another case of the fathers names being mixed up, when written onto the marriage cert?

Edward Yoxall, who married Florence Alice Baitrum in 1919, was a French Polisher.

Can't be many Yoxall French Polishers married to Baitrums.

Christina (Lancashire)

Christina (Lancashire) Report 25 Sep 2012 19:27

This is pure speculation as I have no dates for him, but if this is Joseph's birth....



Births Mar 1917 (>99%)
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Hall Joseph H Ponton Shoreditch 1c 56




Then HIS father may well have been Alfred George.....


Marriages Dec 1901 (>99%)
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BROOKS Thomas Charles Shoreditch 1c 248
>>>>Hall Alfred George Shoreditch 1c 248
HUTCHENS Betsy Mary Shoreditch 1c 248
>>>>Ponton Annie Shoreditch 1c 248

Christina (Lancashire)

Christina (Lancashire) Report 25 Sep 2012 19:51

Just to add, the 1911 census that Jude posted for Sarah & Charles Baitrum at 43 Crondall Street Hoxton, they are Florence Alice Baitrum's brother & sister.

ChristinaS

ChristinaS Report 25 Sep 2012 20:59

No Jude, it's not just you. Charles Baitrum is still living in Crondall Street in 1939, but when you go along the street, it goes no higher than no. 63!!

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 26 Sep 2012 04:54

and ancestry shows a third child ...... also a daughter


England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005 about Lilian M Yoxall

Name: Lilian M Yoxall
Mother's Maiden Surname: Baitrum
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1923
Registration district: Shoreditch
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume Number: 1c
Page Number: 128 (click to see others on page)



freebmd version ................

Births Jun 1923 (>99%)

Yoxall Lilian M Daitrum Shoreditch 1c 128

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 26 Sep 2012 07:04

Was it 81 Crondall Street 1911, you are after folks?...

Percy Arthur Dove living there.

Chris :)

(apologies if not, just reading through!)

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 26 Sep 2012 07:09

I was looking at the Baitrums at number 43...so I flicked through the records looking for 81 and it seemed to stop at 63 - what's the reference for the Doves?

Jude

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 26 Sep 2012 07:21

Name: Percy Arthur Dove
Age in 1911: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil parish: Shoreditch
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 81 Crondall Street, Hoxton N
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 4
Estimated Marriage Year: 1907
Occupation: PORTER LABOURER
Registration district: Shoreditch
Registration District Number: 16
Sub-registration district: Shoreditch South
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Piece: 1331
Household Members: Name Age
Percy Arthur Dove 23
Elizabeth Dove 22
George Arthur Dove 3
Percy William Dove

Chris :)

(FMP)
DOVE, Percy Arthur Head Married4 years M 23 1888 Porter Labourer London Marylebone
DOVE, Elizabeth Wife F 22 1889 London Stepney
DOVE, George Arthur Son M 3 1908 London St Georges in the East
DOVE, Percy William Son M 0 (6 MONTHS) 1911 London St Georges in the East
RG number: RG14
Piece: 1331
Reference: RG14PN1331 RG78PN46 RD16 SD1 ED10 SN110
Registration District: Shoreditch
Sub District: Shoreditch South
Enumeration District: 10
Parish: Shoreditch
Address: 81 Crondall Street Hoxton N
County: London

ChristinaS

ChristinaS Report 26 Sep 2012 08:23

Chris - You keep managing to find what I'm looking for!! Well done, again.

So, living at 81, Crondall Street in 1939 was Alfred George Hall and family. Unfortunately, that doesn't help.

Christina (Lancashire)

Christina (Lancashire) Report 26 Sep 2012 18:51

ChristinaS, that does help!! Violet married Joseph H Hall in 1939. His father must have been Alfred George Hall. So Violet married from her inlaws address!



christine

christine Report 3 Oct 2012 16:56

help on marriage. help needed please ,is there a family marriage connections ,bartrum florence a yoxall shoreditch .susan hayman shoreditch.henry hayman shoreditch .edward bartrum shoreditch .on all 1c 169.am looking for a jewish aunt my mother knew.
thankyou,for all your help,christina lancashire,priclky polly,polly poppet,shirley.etc
christine

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 3 Oct 2012 18:57

Marriages Dec 1919 (>99%)
Bartrum Florence A Yoxall Shoreditch 1c 169
Blacketer Susan Hayman Shoreditch 1c 169
Hayman Henry Blacketer Shoreditch 1c 169
Yoxall Edward Bartrum Shoreditch 1c 169

These are two marriages recorded under the same reference. Florence married Edward; Susan married Henry; and ne'er the twain shall meet. There is not a connection other than they chose the same day at the same church.

Jude

jax

jax Report 3 Oct 2012 20:23

It looks like they had a double wedding with his brother and again it says 1919 in the image

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about James Alfred Yoxall
Name: James Alfred Yoxall
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Age: 22
Spouse Name: Rose Marlow
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Dec 1920
Parish: Shoreditch St Anne
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Edward Yokall
Spouse Father Name: Edward Marlow
Register Type: Parish Register

jax

jax Report 3 Oct 2012 20:28

1901 England Census
about Edward Yoxall
Name: Edward Yoxall
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Yoxall
Gender: Male
Where born: St Luke

Civil parish: Shoreditch St Leonard
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew Hoxton
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Haggerston
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 277
Folio: 115
Page Number: 32
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Yoxall 24
Sarah Yoxall 23
Edward Yoxall 5
I A Yoxall 3 >>>>James
S A Yoxall 1

1911 England Census
about Edward Yoxall
Name: Edward Yoxall
Age in 1911: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: St Luke
Civil parish: Shoreditch
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 21 Watson Place, Ware Street, Kingsland Road
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: NEWSVENDOR
Registration district: Shoreditch
Registration District Number: 16
Sub-registration district: Shoreditch North West
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Piece: 1360
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Yoxall 35
Sarah Yoxall 33
Edward Yoxall 15
James Alfred Yoxall 13
Sarah Yoxall 7
Emma Ann Yoxall 1
Annie Henrietta Yoxall 9
John Thomas Yoxall 6
Thomas Richard Yoxall 3
William Edward Yoxall 3
Catherine Yoxall 5
Joseph Kelsey 62



christine

christine Report 29 Nov 2012 17:47

please help new at this.help information on date of marriage beween ,eliza hester and albert george baitrum vol 1c page365 also names of mother and father..thankyou for your help.also need imformation on rose baitrum born in 1905 need details on the birth cert names of her mother and father I would be gratefull for help on this. from christine

jax

jax Report 29 Nov 2012 18:00

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Albert George Baitrum
Name: Albert George Baitrum
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Age: 21
Spouse Name: Eliza Hester Hales
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 16 Jan 1888
Parish: Bethnal Green St Thomas
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Friend William Baitrum
Spouse Father Name: Richard Hales
Register Type: Parish Register

jax

jax Report 29 Nov 2012 18:05

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Albert George Baitrum
Name: Albert George Baitrum
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 3 Sep 1872
Father's Name: Friend William Baitrum
Mother's Name: Henrietta Baitrum
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hoxton St Saviour
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers

christine

christine Report 29 Nov 2012 18:09

thankyou everyone for the great imformation my grandmother florence did marry edward yoxall and my great grandmother eliza hester married albert george baitrum thankyou again for all imformation up to date you have to me please continue to send to me all you can about my family tree.christine thankyou.

jax

jax Report 29 Nov 2012 18:28

We cannot get details off of birth certs if lucky a baptism maybe found...not seeing anything for Rose apart from the birth reg