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Trying to find my husbands Great Grandmother

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Mavis Report 13 Oct 2012 12:06

Proven at last
-- the White family of Robert are connected to Alice Lavinia White

Lily Rosabel White = John Gullick

-- Obituary

Mrs J Gullick Funeral of Mrs Lily Rosabelle Gullick wife of Mr J Gullick 14 Limekiln Street Dover -53years old


Mr T Gullick [J] husband -- Mrs A Lacey sister - Mr and Mrs F Gullick brother and sister-in-law -- Mr N Lacey brother-in-law -- Miss Dolly Smith maid..



Candidiasia Report 13 Oct 2012 13:54

How interesting how did you.manage to find that

Thank you Mavis



HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 13 Oct 2012 14:17

But if Alice is Lily's sister - how do they have different fathers?



Mavis Report 13 Oct 2012 14:46

that came from Dover Express Friday 1st November 1929

Dont know what happened to the Robert and Mary Ann White after 1881 Census

as I cant read the names for the children after Lily Rosabel not sure who is who?

if Alice grew up without Robert as a father she may not have known who it was or perhaps Mother Mary Ann Keyton / Keeton took up with or married some one else-- As I said earlier I have only found Lily in Honiton Devon from the fact that she married there.

Candis have you got the Marriage for Alice to John Gullick yet ? you may have a different name for her death perhaps thats why we hav'nt found her birth yet -- she may have changed her christian name / names.



Candidiasia Report 13 Oct 2012 14:52

Mmarriage for John Gullick is due to be dispatched on the 16!th


Candidiasia Report 17 Oct 2012 21:34

I am now in possession of the divorce papers,

Petition filed 19 June 1933, Cause set down 10 August 1933, Decree Nisi 18 Nov 1933,yFinal Jun 1934

19 Jun 1933 petition for nultiy

Lacey orse White A L against Lacey N

Upon hearing the solicitor for the petitioner and reading the certificate of non appearance of the respondent.

Inspectors were appointed to examine the parts and organs of generation of Nicholas Lacey the Respondent. and also to examine the parts and organs of generation Alice Lavinia Lacey otherwise White the Petitioner.

It was decided the 13 November 1933 That the respondent be pronounced and declared and have been and to be absolutley null and void to all intents and purposes in the law whatsoever by reason of the incapacity of the respondent to consumate the marriage and the said petitioner

I have give a brief outline of what is on the papers.



Mavis Report 17 Oct 2012 22:13

that must have been a bit of an ordeal for all partys

look forward to hearing what the next marriage to John Gullick produces in the way of a father for Alice ??



Mavis Report 18 Oct 2012 16:11

may have sorted the child of Robert and Mary Ann White -- indexed as Allen Robert -
son but a daughter she is Violet Alice -- if you look closer -- born Jun Q 1879 Westminster.

1891 census Lingfield Surrey

Edmund Lone [Love] 28 Dairyman born London
Florence M Lone[Love] 22 ----- Oxfordshire Thackley
Violet A White 12 - visitor ----------------- London " Starch " Green ??

1901 still with Edmund Love who is a Wdr now --- in Lingfield
Violet White 22y - visitor [ long visit] ----- London

if Alice L was Violet A White -- still cant pinpoint her death as Gullick ???



Candidiasia Report 18 Oct 2012 18:33

In possession of MC for Gullick and Lacey/White

Married 11 July 1934, Dover Kent

John Gullick 59 Widower, General Provision popaler. 14 Limekiln Street, Dover. father, JOhn Gullick dececeased General Labourer

Alice Lavinia Lacey formerly White 55 Formerly the wife of Nicholas Lacey from who she married a divorce. 29 Woolcomber Street. Father Henry William White deceased Boat Maker Master

Witnesses John Pratt and Charles R Millway


Mavis Report 18 Oct 2012 18:49

well fathers name the same for both marriages then -- back to the drawing board again

are they 1/2 sisters ????

still makes her born 1879

Never heard of a Boat maker Master -- Boat Master Builder or Master Boat Builder ???



Mavis Report 18 Oct 2012 23:05

Well did Alice Lavinia White return to birth name Violet Alice White ???

Violet A Gullick 68y Jun Q 1953 Coventry 9c 684

seems to have lost 5y but that would depend on who reported the death knowing correct age
but she did return to Coventry where she married 1st !!!!!

she may well never have known who her father was. being young when family broke up



Candidiasia Report 19 Oct 2012 05:06

Hmmm interesting indeed, will have a look at ordering that in the next week or so.

You could well be right with that.

Thanks for your help


Mavis Report 19 Oct 2012 09:25

Did find Robert White 1871

St Anne - Soho - Westminster

Robert White 36y Bootmaker born Shadwell
Mary A White 28y [ index 78] born France Paris
Mary A E White 2y ---------- born Bermondsey
Robert Fred White 6 mth born Pancras


1851 St James - Dover Kent

Sarah Keyton 29y born Dover
Ferdinand Keyton 8y born France Calais
Mary Ann Keyton 5y born France Calais
William Keyton 3y born Charleton Dover
George E Keyton born Charleton Dover


1861 St Mary Dover

Ferdinand Keyton 45y lace cap maker Sponden Derby
Sarah Keyton 39y
Ferdinand 18y
Mary Ann 15y
William A/S 13
no George
Sarah Lavinia 8y -- Charleton Dover
Rosabelle C 3y -- Charleton Dover
Joseph S 1y -- St Mary Dover

Ferdinand son of Richard and Sarah Elizabeth Keeton 1813 Derbyshire

Sarah Coleman Smith daughter of George and Mary Smith -- a Cooper bp
St Marys Dover 17 th March 1822



Candidiasia Report 4 Nov 2012 12:37

Death certificate ordered.



Mavis Report 5 Nov 2012 12:45

Great -- hope it ends up as the right lady !!

if so she had a rather colourful life -- did she earn respectability at the end ??



Candidiasia Report 10 Nov 2012 19:02

Now has the death certificate and yes it appears to be the right lady.

Violet Alice Gullick aged 68 died 09 June 1953 Gulson Hospital.

Occupation of 18 Carmelite Road Coventry, Wife of John Gullick Labourer Machine Tool Works (Retired)

Cause of death coronary Thrombosis Informant F G Harding Son 7 Leofric Street Coventry.

Believe this is her son Frederick who was the so called actor.



Mavis Report 11 Nov 2012 08:57

Candis, we all got there in the end -- took awhile - you know quite a bit about her
now .



Candidiasia Report 11 Nov 2012 11:08

Thank you everybody for all your help and yes of course I have filled Uncle George in.

Hope you all have a good day thanks.