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Think this confirms it! We all have at least one in the family!:

9th October 1908 Evening Express

NEWPORT MAN'S VIOLENCE
Charles David Llewellyn (29), of 32, Park- square, Newport, the son of a former well- known license, was before the Newport magistrates to-day for being drunk and disorderly in Commercial-street. He attempted to smash the windows of the Grosvenor Inn, where his sister lives, and behaved altogether in a wild and dangerous fashion. Mr. H. S. Lyne, who appeared for defendant's family, said there was no doubt that defendant was at times dangerous, and, apart from the effects of drink, it would be a good thing iif his mental condition were inquired into. His mother had already paid a good deal of money in flnes for him. As he had been nine times before the court the Bench decided to bind him over for three months 'in his own surety of £ 20, and one other surety of £20 go to prison for three months. Mr. Lyne said his family would not be found for him. The clerk: It is to be hoped, for his own sake, that no one will become surety for him. He will then go to prison.

http://newspapers.library.wales/

Oh guys..wow!

I knew grand uncle Charles David (for all his distinguished name) was a "bad un"..and my great grandmother obviously knew this!

Eva in 1911....maybe a key! Who knows. Weston Super Mare to Bridgwater..mmm who knows. All I know was he was in Newport in 1911 and again after the war. Where he was during the war, who knows. But there are only two Charles David births anywhere between 1879 and 1920.....

I bet he was the drunk! My great gran was a canny soul methinks!

Jude

Chris- yes- Eva's older sister- this was the child she had, before marrying Philip Jackson in 1893:

First name(s) MINNIE
Last name BEVAN
Birth year 1891
Baptism year 1891
Baptism day 16
Baptism month Jun
Place SKENFRITH
Mother's first name(s) Ellen
County Monmouthshire
Country Wales
Page 51
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Minnie in 1901:

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
The Farm, Marden, Hereford, Herefordshire, England
Philip Jackson Head Married Male 40 1861 Ordinary Agricultural Labourer Herefordshire
Ellen Jackson Wife Married Female 29 1872 - Grosmont, Herefordshire, England
Minnie Jackson Daughter - Female 9 1892 - Newton, Herefordshire, England
Lydia E Jackson Daughter - Female 7 1894 - Herefordshire, England
Agnes E Jackson Daughter - Female 1 1900 - Marden, Herefordshire, England
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By 1911 Ellen has moved back with parents, and husband is in Worcestershire:

Name: Phillip Jackson
Age in 1911: 47
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Abbeydoor, Herefordshire
Civil Parish: Orleton and Hanley William
County/Island: Worcestershire
Street address: High Bridge Cottage, Orleton On Teme, Worcester
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Waggoner
Registration district: Tenbury
Registration District Number: 375
ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Household schedule number: 37 Piece: 17590
Household Members:
Name Age
Phillip Jackson 47
Agnes Jackson 11
Lily Jackson 7
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Still not seeing Eva in 1911

(oh heck, the Bevan one, lol)

(relates to family below)

Chris :)

01 August 1891 - Monmouthshire Beacon - Monmouth, Gwent, Wales

Newcastle
Affiliation - Charles Humphreys, labourer, Llanattock-Lingoed, who did not appear, was summoned by Ellen Bevan, Caerobin, Skenfrith, single woman, to show cause. - An order of 2s 6d per week was made upon the defendant, until the child attains the age of 11.


edits

Baptism
County Monmouthshire
Place Grosmont
Church name St Nicholas
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 112
Baptism date 29 May 1870
Birth date
Person forename Ellen
Person sex F
Person abode New Hill Farm
Father forename Thos
Father surname BEVAN
Father occupation Labr
Mother forename Lydia
Register note Farmer's son

http://www.freereg.org.uk/

There are quite a few references in the Welsh papers Online to Charles David Llewellyn between 1907- 1909. He was jailed several time for drunken violent behaviour. I don't see any thing for after 1909 in the Welsh Papers. However, in 1915 a Charles David Llewellyn turns up in Weston-supermare. He was again convicted of drunken behaviour. The article states he was a visitor from Bath. I wondered if it was your man.

Wow- this is a long thread- but a fantastic read!

No idea if this helps, but here goes:

Her Baptism (listed as Beavan- as on 1901 census also)

First name(s) Eva
Last name Beavan
Gender Female
Baptism year 1880
Baptism date 08 Aug 1880
Residence Llanrothall, Hereford, England
Place Llanrothal
County Herefordshire
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Father's last name Beavan
Mother's first name(s) Lydia
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But then this school record- perhaps not her as birth date is after baptism date above, but will include just in case the birth date proves useful (there was also an Elizabeth Mary Beavan b25/04/1879 of same address and father on the same page):

First name(s) Eva
Last name Beavan
Birth year 1880
Birth date 08 Nov 1880
Event year 1886
School name New Inn Board / Cross Ash School, Grosmont
Town Grosmont
County Monmouthshire
Country Wales
Parent name(s) Thomas
Address: Cae Robin
Book type Admissions
Archive reference CEA/47/4
Folio / page no. -
Archive Gwent Archives

I've seen quite a few cases where school admission DOB dont necessarily match actual DOB!

EDIT:- School record is correct Eva, the Address matches the 1881 census:

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Cae Robin Farm, Skenfrith, Monmouth, Monmouthshire, Wales

She could have but she is Bevan in the 1926 will. And I still believe that the one child born one child died that Charles declares in 1911 is him and his new partner...i don't hold out much hope but ....I may try and follow up Flip's suggestion about the probate for her parents Tom and Lydia

Jude

she could have married between 1901 and 1911?

I still haven't found her in 1911..

Name: Eva Bevan
Relation: Daughter (Child)
Father's name: Thomas Bevan
Mother's name: Lydia Bevan
Gender: Female
Where born: Llanrothal, Monmouth, Wales
Civil Parish: Skenfrith
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street address: Cae Robin Farm
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Registration district: Monmouth
Sub registration district: Dingestow
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5226
Folio: 103
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Bevan 38
Lydia Bevan 37
Thomas Bevan 12
Ellen Bevan 10
John Bevan 8
Emily Bevan 5
Emma Bevan 3
Elizabeth Bevan 2
Eva Bevan
Emma Powell 50

I have same family in 1891 and a possible - different dob - for 1901 as a servant (Skenfrith shown as place of birth)

But I can't find her in 1911....

Fresh eyes a while on? (All that nearer to - fingers crossed - 1921 census)

Jude

Back to Theo....I am minded to believe he died abroad given his travelling in the 1920's.

Chris has shown him to have been discharged after the Boer War in 1900...so where was he in 1901?

Jude

Yes managed to get in about an hour ago...but it's only a little more than you posted.

It throws my death for Thomas out though - I had 1959!

So if they were "reunited" he must have died before her!!

Jude

(now 'fixed' Jude, nothing more on it, other than "Reunited")

Chris :)

(did look at FMP Facebook page from google this morning, and saw complaints on there!. I don't 'do' Facebook, so get it that way lol, and Genes!)

06 April 1946 - Lancashire Evening Post - Preston, Lancashire, England

CHADWICK - On the 3rd Inst . at Woodplumpton. BEATRICE ANN. the beloved wife the late THOMAS CHADWICK, aged 63 years.

(not sure if you had above, seems a 'problem' to view images, last night, and still!)

Chris :)

And still!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jude

(also below from google)

93 Tpr Mathias Theophilis Jones (Date of Attestation) Not known (Date of Discharge) 6/6/00 Discharged at Mafeking

http://www.britishmedals.us/files/127bechrifles.htm

Chris :)

(that 1922 Outgoing, is last address UK, 36, Manchester Road, Southport?)

(no idea of anything here!, possibly below)

Baptism: 29 Jul 1883 St Luke, Southport, Lancs.
Joseph Llewellyn Mathias - [Child] of Joseph Mathias & Annie Elizabeth Smith
Abode: 70 Manchester Rd.
Occupation: Provision Dealer
Baptised by: J. K. Marsden
Register: Baptisms 1883 - 1897, Page 2, Entry 15
Source: LDS Film 1849661

It could be him Mavis. But I don't think he married Florence Vickery....I think the Theophilus SHE married was the one born 1902 (died 1966) - I had already looked into this - she was born 1903.

The younger Theo was his nephew (son Of his brother William Benjamin)

This is interesting though

Name: Theofilus Mathias
Departure Date: 5 Jun 1923
Destination: Rio de Janeiro
Birth Date: abt 1879
Age: 44
Gender: männlich (Male)
Marital Status: verheiratet (Married)
Residence: Grünsberg
Ethnicity/Nationality: Großbritannien (English)
Occupation: Kaufmann

Ship Name: Baden
Shipping Clerk: Hamburg-Amerika Linie (Hamburg-Amerikanische Packetfahrt-Actien-Gesellschaft)
Shipping line: Hamburg-Amerika Linie (Hamburg-Amerikanische Packetfahrt-Actien-Gesellschaft)
Ship Type: Dampfschiff
Accommodation: 3. Klasse
Ship Flag: Deutschland
Port of Departure: Hamburg
Port of Arrival: La Coruna; Vigo; Rio de Janeiro; Montevideo; Buenos Aires

Volume: 373-7 I, VIII A 1 Band 297
Household Members:
Name Age
Theofilus Mathias 44




Jude

Is this him ??

T J

Last name
MATHIAS

Gender
Male

Age
42

Birth year
1880

Occupation
ASSISTANT

Departure year
1922

Departure day
25

Departure month
1

Departure port
LIVERPOOL

Destination port
ACCRA

Destination
ACCRA

Country
GHANA (GOLD COAST)

Destination country
GHANA (GOLD COAST)

Ship name
APPAM

Ship official number
135442

Ship master's first name
J T

Ship master's last name
TOFT

Shipping line
BRITISH AND AFRICAN S.N.CO.LTD.

City
LIVERPOOL

Ship destination port
WEST COAST OF AFRICA

Ship destination country
AFRICA

Ship registered tonnage
4760.97

Number of passengers
318

Record set
Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960

Category
Travel & migration

Subcategory
Passenger lists

Collections from
Australasia, Great Britain, Ireland, United States


he married

Florence M Vickery - Dec Q 1925 Newport 11a 517

Mavis

Cheers Rose...yes it's the footnote one I have

Jude

Not seeing one as yet, I guess this is the Boer war ref you have?

http://www.dnw.co.uk/auction-archive/catalogue-archive/lot.php?auction_id=41&lot_id=30691

I am now trying to tie up some loose ends with the Mathias family. Mabel Edith's brother was Theophilus Jones Mathias born 13 August 1879 (schools admission)

I have him in 1881 and 1891 censuses.
I have a reference for the Anglo-Boer Wars 1899-1902
In 1901 Kelly's he is at Glanyrafon Caerleon Village - which is the address for his sisters Mary Martha and Beatrice in 1901 - but he's not there. And I can't find him in 1911 either.

Then I have a reference for him being awarded the British War and Victory medals in 1919

But I can't find a death for him. I did find one, but that was for a Theophilus Mathias born 1902

Any fresh eyes would be good!

Jude

Yes think we are on the right track

Jude