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Yes was thinking of that this morning - I finish early on Friday for a week off...so may just call into the library then!

Jude

You need to get back to the RO again and check out Clytha park road - Charles didn't appear with his mother on the ElR until 1920! See if you can find either of them -even if just to eliminate.

Yes Flip...but she lied when she said she had been married for ten years in that relationship because she wasn't married (OK I know this was the norm if living in sin) to her partner and the ten years referred to the marriage with Charles! Liars the pair of them it seems!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And I've been down the road of trying to find a child born and died......too many Llewellyns and Bevans!

and I keep looking at the earlier post

Western Mail, Cardiff - 16th March 1918

Eva Bevan, a middle aged woman, of Clytha Park Road, who said she was a native of Monmouth, was at Newport sent to prison for 2 months on charges of obtaining provisions by false pretences.

I reckon in 1918, middle aged would probably have covered from thirties on, which would be the right age for her to be with Charles...oh well a challenge for another day

Jude

You can't be sure it was a child with Eva, it could have been Edith but she read the form correctly and only declared children of her current relationship. Then again he may have had another relationship in between!

Like you say, not much chance until the next census although she has proved elusive on the earlie ones.

Yes from 1926 there were no records for the address....so in 1911 he declares one child born and died whilst his wife declares only the living children in bury. So either she was lying or the dead child was his and Eva's. But where or who was Eva in 1911......Only the next census is going to help....

Jude

Oh well it was worth a punt, but I think probate records are usually pretty accurate so more likely she was just plain Eva Bevan.

Did the person checking the ER look a couple of years after 1926to see if she turned up?

Well it came and it cannot possibly be her. She is Eva Agnes bevan born 1901 in Bristol ...well documented. So until the 1921 census ...if it is ever released...I am stuck!

Jude

That's what I am hoping Flip!

But you see...I'm a Scorpio as you know.....perfectionist :-)

Can't believe you're still on this one Jude :-D

Must have cost you a fortune in certificates & wills, I'll look out for the marriagedetails when next on line - fingers crossed there's an address for her otherwise how will you know it's her?

After this thread was posted the other day

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1351388

Patricia, kindly went to Taunton to follow up her query on an address in Bridgwater and, whilst there, even more kindly, had a look for Charles and Eva.

This was her finding:

From autumn 1922 up until spring 1926 living at that address was John and Mary Randell, also a Thomas Squires. From Spring 1926 there were no records for no 45.

So Maria died on 09 May 1922, and Charles is on the ER at 36 Constance Street up to Autumn 1922. On 18 November 1922, he made his will in favour of Eva Bevan at a Bridgwater solicitors. The address is not given, just Charles David Llewellyn of Bridgwater

His address when he died in 1926 was 45 Wellington Road; her address when probate was granted was 45 Wellington Road.

So where were they between November 1922 and his death in May 1926?

Out of interest I have sent for the marriage certificate of Eva A Bevan (December 1927).

Jude

Ooh Flip.....

Had a reply from the records office....they do searches at £32/hour.....so may take them up when I get paid lol!

That's interesting re Harry/Henry Bevan....Church Road is quite near to Constance Street...Constance Street on the left hand side of Caerleon Road (heading towards Caerleon) and Church Road on the right hand side.

Will have a play but, of course, Bevan (like Llewellyn) is a very common Welsh name ...derived from ab Evan meaning son of Evan :-)

Jude

Well, I guess we finally eliminated Eva Edmunds from the search, so hopefully the records office won't take as long to reply as the will took to arrive ;-)

Let us know if (and when) you get something..........in the meantime, I went back to that 1911 census for Charles David Llewellyn and looked at image 1 of the set (on ancestry) to see the area coverage. Flipped to the next page and there was a Harry (well I think it was Harry, but transcribed Henry) Bevan who was in the licenced trade (beer retailer).......wonder if he had a sister/cousin Eva....although not knowing Newport I've no idea how close his address of Church road is to your guys.

Just another thought to keep you occupied while you wait for the RO to get back to you :-D

Flip, Chris thanks. Even though these are not now anything to do with my family, it's good to know what happened. It's also indicative of why we should resurrect old threads occasionally as more records are released.

The Ship and Pilot's still there!

Jude

All Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Florence Maud John abt 1883 England 29 Sep 1928 Albertic Quebec Southampton

(looks to relate to Sister who Married 1909 New York, posted Newspaper further below)

(not 'posting and running', but must go!)

Chris :)

Marriages Mar 1892 (>99%)
------------------------------------------------------
EDMUNDS Elvira Newport M 11a 237
Lind Charles Newport, M. 11a 237

(Sister mentioned on Passenger List above)


Johns' 1938 Newport Street Directory:
Ship and Pilot, C. Lind

http://www.newportpast.com/records/directories/johns1938/search.php?road=CHURCH%20STREET


John K Gilbert
Birth: Feb. 9, 1885, Wales
Death: Dec. 1, 1966
San Bernardino
San Bernardino County
California, USA
Father of Muriel
Trevor
Burial: Mountain View Cemetery
San Bernardino
San Bernardino County
California, USA

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi

New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957


Name Trevor Gilbert

Arrival Date: 12 May 1910

Birth Date: abt 1908

Birth Location England

Birth Location Other: llanelly

Age: 2

Gender Male

Ethnicity/ Nationality: English

Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Caronia

travelling with mother Eva to San Bernardino
(UK contact - Mother, MrsElvira Edmunds, 34 Grange Gardens, Cardiff)

A tree on ancestry has a son born to them in 1908 - Trevor Edmunds Gilbert, so maybe she stayed behind while he went ahead to sort out a new life for them?

ADDED: 2 year old Trevor and Eva arrived in New York 12/5/1910 on the Caronia, she named her contact in UK as mother Elvira Edmunds - was going to join husband John in San Bernadino, California. So this is probably why we cant find her in 1911. When John died in 1966 his record shows 2 children, Trevor & Muriel (she was born to Verna)

Yes Flip I knew you had but, without actually buying the certificate, we needed to find her in 1911 and couldn't... I wonder what happened? After a grand wedding he seems to have left his bride rather quickly!

Have emailed Somerset Archives

Jude

We came full circle with Eva - I Knew I remembered her - posted her likely marriage on page 5 - but couldn't find her in 1911 then either!

The Somerset link you posted explains it all!

Before 1918 women were not allowed to vote at parliamentary elections. Until the 19th century voting rights were based on amounts and type of land/property people held. Before 1832 constituencies were unequal, and electoral qualifications varied. In counties men aged 21-70 with freehold property worth at least forty shillings a year could vote at local and parliamentary elections and were eligible for jury service. Borough qualifications varied depending on terms
in their Charter of Incorporation and local customs. This meant that some areas were completely unrepresented, while ancient boroughs could return two MPs, even ones that had diminished in size and importance (these were known as ‘rotten boroughs’). The franchise was gradually extended by the following Acts:

Representation of the People Acts
• 1918: Vote given to all men over 21 and to women over 30 who were ratepayers or wives of ratepayers;
• 1928: Vote given to all women over the age of 21;
• 1969: Minimum voting age for men and women lowered to 18.

So only women over 30 who were ratepayers or wives of ratepayers (and I think graduates) could vote before 1928.

Yes I think I can find her in 1881 and 1891 and then lose her.....

Jude

I think I found the 1880 (Monmouth) Eva getting married, but need to try to find her again