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Well I have speculated on Eva Mary birth and Mabel E death....

Does any kind person have easy access to electoral rolls in Bridgewater?

I drew a blank on finding Charles and Eva together in Constance Street Newport. Wondered if anyone could see 45 Wellington Road Bridgwater from Spring 1923?

Jude

Jude, before you splash out, check out all the births/deaths Newport 1900-1908 just in case I've missed crossing one off - although I don't think I have, However, if the dead child he refers to is not Edith/mabels's then it could be Eva's and born up to 1911.

Wow - Flip....I might speculate on Eva Mary!!!!!

Jude

Took a look, and I think there are only 3 possible children for them who have died:

Harold Raymond b Q3/1903 d 1904
Eva Mary b Q3/1906 d 1906
David b & d Q4/1907 - but think he is a little late if she registered Edna in Q2/1908

Think I'd be putting money on Eva Mary Llewellyn - could be his daughter, but who knows which of the ladies in question would be her mother :-D :-D

Births Sep 1906 (>99%)
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Llewellyn Eva Mary Newport, M. 11a 220

That death for Vera looks promising Christina - there aren't that many Vera R's born in that quarter, but then again there are a lot of Taylor marriages to Vera R's.

Jude, I assumed from the 1911 census Charles meant that him and Mabel/Edith had had 1 child but it died. They married Q2/1900 so the child could have been born and died anytime from 1900 to say 1907, assuming Edna Jenkins was the first child she had with Mervyn. I'll download the possible births/deaths in Newport for Llewellyn children and see how many we are left with.

Yes Christina....had made all those tenuous connections as well :-) And as, technically, none of them are my family, I am not going to splurge!!!!!

I'd like to try and prove the other angle of Eva........

What is interesting is that in 1911, Charles has entered 1 child born 1 child died!

Jude

Just having another mooch .....and assuming that the 1947 marriage is for the Vera R Jenkins born to Mervyn and Edith Mabel.....then this death looks promising....


England & Wales, Death Index
Name: Vera Rose Taylor
Birth Date: 18 Jul 1912
Date of Registration: Jul 2001
Age at Death: 89
Registration district: Preston and South Ribble
Inferred County: Lancashire
Register Number: A49C
District and Subdistrict: 5881A
Entry number: 56


And if Mabel Edith/Edith Mabel moved to the Preston area with both her surviving girls....a possible marriage and death for Edna....


Marriages Jun 1940 (>99%)
Jenkins Edna Jones Preston 8e 1489
Jones Edward Jenkins Preston 8e 1489


England & Wales, Death Index
Name: Edna Jones
Birth Date: abt 1909
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1951
Age at Death: 42
Registration district: Preston
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10f
Page: 460


And a possible death for Mabel Edith, although the age is way out......

Deaths Sep 1941 (>99%)
Jenkins Mabel E 55 Preston 8e 764


Then again I am probably just guilty of trying to make any of this fit and it would be very expensive in certs to prove or disprove. ;-)

Yes this has been an interesting puzzle and to get so near yet so far with both Charles (and Eva) and Edith (and Mervyn) is sooooooooooooo frustrating ;-)

You really must find an easier family to research! :-D.

And no, I can't see a marriage for her either, and the only marriage for her children is that one you have posted, but like you say it's a bit tenuous

I've tried Matthias, Jenkins and Llewellyn....:-(

OK children...

this is probably why we can't find Mabel getting married

Name: Mabel Jenkins
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1910
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1911
Age at Death: 1
Registration district: Bury
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 677

I can find a marriage for Vera (Rose??) in Preston in 1947 which would make her 35....so not sure if this is kosher or not.

If she was known as Jenkins in the time she spent in Bury - have your tried finding a re-marriage for her under that name?

This is everything I have about her....

At marriage on 20 June 1900 she was 23 years old.

The birth was registered Q4 1877 so she must have rounded up her age (or else they were very late registering her)!

It is only in 1911 that her age coincides with a birth year of 1877

Haven't found a marriage for her...she couldn't marry until 1926 (as I am sure there was no divorce)

Jude

Yes, I agree it's a strange combination - but without the military records it's still conjecture - even though it looks likely.

So, assuming this death is right how do we find out if she re-married or took on a different name? We haven't been able to find a re-marriage so far, do you have her actual dob to try checking for a death just using dob?

Glad you're ok!

Yes Flip - good!

No I couldn't find any other military records. But there can't be many people called Jenkins born in Bassaleg and enlisting in Bury....with almost the same name!

Jude

Hi Jude, hope you are holding out ok, good to see you keeping busy!

Guess that record you've found is from Ancestry - this is the same record from CWG -


BombardierService No:9952Date of Death:22/04/1917Regiment/Service:Royal Field Artillery "C" Bty. 14th Bde. Grave ReferenceI. G. 19.CemeteryST. NICOLAS BRITISH CEMETERY
Additional Information:

View certificate This is a PDF file and requires Adobe Reader to view.

ST. NICOLAS BRITISH CEMETERY

Country:FranceLocality:Pas de Calais
Find out more about this Cemetery including, visiting information, reports and plans and any emergency notices.

There is no other info, so not sure, without the service record, if this could be possible for your guy. Can't see anything on the national archives, so would assume there is no surviving military record. But I will stand corrected if someone can find one! - Hopefully :-)

But then again, wonder if this death is correct (or another in WW1) could she have lived with someone else and died under his name?? Still strange we can't find marriages/deaths for her and the children.

atb
Flip

OK my mum's funeral was (finally) yesterday. So now I have to occupy myself :-)

What do you think about this for Mervyn Albert Jenkins - the dentist/insurance agent that Edith Mabel disappeared with?????

Name: Albert Jenkins
Birth Place: Bassaleg, Monmouth
Death Date: 21 Apr 1917
Death Location: France & Flanders
Enlistment Location: Bury, Lancs
Rank: BDR.
Regiment: Royal Horse Artillery and Royal Field Artillery
Number: 9952
Type of Casualty: Killed in action
Theatre of War: Western European Theatre

Hi Jude,

If it took any longer for the Will I was about to take a day off and go and get it for you.

It would appear that FMP are to launch ER's this year so we may yet get a bit further with your search.
Kind regards
Amanda

Well I visited the library this afternoon and had a look at the electoral rolls.

From 1918 to Autumn 1919 only Maria is shown at 36 Constance Street. Charles appears in Spring 1920 and is there until Autumn 1922. In Spring 1923, there is nobody at number 36 which fits with him having moved to Bridgwater. There is no mention at any time of Eva Bevan.

Charles, landlord of the White Hart in 1901 is not there in 1902. John Lucy is shown in 1902.

So, IF Eva Bevan was Eva Edmunds, then she would not have been able to vote until 1918 when she was 36. But if she was living at 36 Constance Street at any time between 1920 and 1922 then she should have appeared on the electoral roll.

However, if Eva Bevan was not Eva Edmunds and was born 1892 or later, then she would not have been on the electoral roll.

So good fun; not easy to search as they are books so no search facility :-(....a mystery which I guess may remain just that!

It did throw up one new thing...I had my great gran as Maria O'connor Marchant/Llewellyn...according to the electoral roll she was Maria Ocona!

Like buses....another copy arrived today!

Hope to visit the library this afternoon :-)

Jude