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I have ruled out Eva Clorinda....so the one I was looking at is

Name: Eva Bevan
Relation: Daughter (Child)
Father's name: Thomas Bevan
Mother's name: Lydia Bevan
Gender: Female
Where born: Llanrothal, Monmouth, Wales
Civil Parish: Skenfrith
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street address: Cae Robin Farm
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Registration district: Monmouth
Sub registration district: Dingestow
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5226
Folio: 103
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Bevan 38
Lydia Bevan 37
Thomas Bevan 12
Ellen Bevan 10
John Bevan 8
Emily Bevan 5
Emma Bevan 3
Elizabeth Bevan 2
Eva Bevan
Emma Powell 50

I have same family in 1891 and a possible - different dob - for 1901 as a servant (Skenfrith shown as place of birth)

But I can't find her in 1911....

Jude

(not seeing, as yet!, her father on below)

http://places.wishful-thinking.org.uk/MON/Skenfrith/index.html

(Bevan Thomas, farmer, Caerobins)

Chris :)

(Parents. Married 44 yrs 9 children 8 living 1 died))

1911
Thomas Beaven Head Married Male 69 1842 Kentchurch Herefordhre Farmer
Lydia Beaven Wife Married Female 67 1844 Eardisland Herefordshire
Ellen Jackson Daughter Married Female 42 1869 Grosmont Monmouthshire
Thomas Jackson Grandson - Male 4 1907 Worcester
Address Fair House Garway Hill St Weonards Near Hereford
Parish Orcop
County Herefordshire

Well today I had a satisfying - yet frustrating - visit to the library. ..

To reiterate...

The Representation of the People Act 1918 was an Act of Parliament passed to reform the electoral system in the United Kingdom. It is sometimes known as the Fourth Reform Act. This act was the first to include practically all men in the political system and began the inclusion of women.
Even after the passing of the Third Reform Act in 1884, only 60%[1] of male householders over the age of 21 had the vote. Following the horrors of World War I, millions of returning soldiers would still not have been entitled to vote in the long overdue general election. (The previous election had been in December 1910. The Parliament Act 1911 had set the maximum term of a Parliament at five years, but an amendment to the Act postponed the general election to after the war's conclusion.)
The terms of the Act were:[3]
1. All males over 21 gained the vote in the constituency where they were resident.
2. Women over 30 years old received the vote if they were either a member or married to a member of the Local Government Register, a property owner, or a graduate voting in a University constituency.

So...today I trawled the electoral rolls from 1903 to 1920. I had hoped to find Maria (as a property owning widow) on the electoral rolls even if she was unable to vote in National polls. But if she was there I couldn't find her prior to 1918.

But from 1918, Charles, then aged 39, should have figured. And I had previously not found him until Spring of 1920. So today I literally read every page of the Spring 1918 electoral roll...and I found him about 120 pages in. Curiously, he WAS at 36 Constance Street with Maria. She, as Owner/Occupier qualified, was listed alone in Division 1. He, residence qualified only, was a further six or so pages on in Division 2.

Of course, there is no sign of Eva Bevan. She would not be qualified to vote for another 10 years by which time both Maria and Charles had died.

I found no trace of the Bevans (specifically Eva) in Clytha Park Road or adjoining Oakfield Road.

So now I am absolutely goggle eyed (though it did answer another outstanding thing which I will update on my other post).

I still think that Eva Bevan was living in Constance Street with Maria and Charles - from when, I know not. They must have moved to Bridgwater together but why he does not show on electoral roll is another thing altogether. He should be at the address he died at at least in Spring 1926 unless he had already left there (in hospital maybe) before the ER was taken. So all I can conclude is that when he/they moved to Bridgwater, they did not live immediately at that address.

Jude

Morning Jude,

You keep coming up against dead ends on this one!! For what it's worth, I think the 1881 census you posted on 6 May could be worth following up on - she's the only one left we haven't eliminated.

Sorry I can't help much with searches at the moment - still no phone line - but have you tried tracing the other children (Ellen we already know was with parents in 1911) see if Eva turns up with any of them, maybe under their married names? Looks like Thomas married Lydia Price in 1870 (Hereford), Eva was christened 8/8/1880 at Llanrothal but familysearch has this transcribed as Beavan. Ellen, Emily and Elizabeth Mary were all christened there.

Also, and I dread suggesting this after the last fiasco, but have you looked for probate for Thomas (think d1917 Kington) or Lydia (d1927, Ross)?

I was contacted by the wife of Edith and Mervyn's grandson asking if I had any more info on his mother. So I have shared what we found on this thread (in all its salubrity lol).

I won't post everything here because it is somewhat sensitive and there are living people to consider.

However, one of the things I have found out through this contact is that on one of the daughters' birth the informant was Beatrice Chadwick, present at the birth.

I go back several pages....

Name: Beatrice Ann Chadwick
Age in 1911: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Clayton, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Droylsden
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 428 Manchester Road Droylsden
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Ashton under Lyne
Registration District Number: 468
Sub-registration district: Audenshaw
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Piece: 24383
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Chadwick 40
Beatrice Ann Chadwick 29
Clande Chadwick 10/12
Malcolm George Mathias 3

So not my Beatrice Ann

There's this marriage

Marriages Mar 1908 (>99%)

Chadwick Thomas Salford 8d 11
MATTHIAS Beatrice Ann Salford 8d 11



Like sister....???? Moves miles from home, sheds years and starts a new life?

I am going to start digging...but welcome any help from you guys and gals!!

Jude

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1907

MATHIAS Malcolm G F Broughton Salford BRO/101/4


Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1910

CHADWICK Claude Ardwick Archives+, Manchester Central Library ARD/427/52


http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/index.php


Births Dec 1907 (>99%)
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MATHIAS Malcolm George F Salford 8d 65


Births Mar 1912 (>99%)
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CHADWICK Judith M Mathias Chorlton 8c 1668


Deaths Sep 1913 (>99%)
------------------------------------------------
Chadwick Judith M 1 Bury 8c 685


Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1908

CHADWICK Thomas MATTHIAS Beatrice A Higher Broughton St James Salford C46/3/203

(saw above!)

Chris :)

Haven't read back through all this thread but just looking at this end bit, is this of any use?

There were 5 matches for this search! Refine Search

Marriage: 14 Mar 1908 St James, Broughton, Lancashire, England
Thomas Chadwick - 37, Clerk, Widower, 17 Heaton St.
Beatrice Ann Matthias - 26, Spinster, 17 Heaton St.
Groom's Father: Edmund Chadwick, Builder
Bride's Father: William Matthias, (deceased), Master Mariner
Witness: Herbert Fogg; Mary Agnes Fogg
Married by Banns by: William Mercer, Curate
Register: Marriages 1904 - 1913, Page 102, Entry 203
Source: Original Parish Register

Dea x

Yes it is Dea - I have sent for the certificate out of curiosity but it fits with being her. William was her and Edith's father and on Edith's marriage certificate to Charles he was a master mariner.

But she is lying big time....in 1908 she was 35 - 1891 and 1901 census show her as 1874 and this is the bmd

Births Dec 1873 (>99%)
Mathias Beatrice Ann Newport M 11a 202

Chris thanks for those...she maintained the deception until her death in 1946.....

What tangled webs we weave!

Jude

06 April 1946 - Lancashire Evening Post - Preston, Lancashire, England

CHADWICK - On the 3rd Inst . at Woodplumpton. BEATRICE ANN. the beloved wife the late THOMAS CHADWICK, aged 63 years. "Reunited".

(not sure if you had above, seems a 'problem' to view images, last night, and still!)

Chris :)

Thanks Chris...

This is the death I had assumed

Name: Beatrice A Chadwick
Birth Date: abt 1883
Date of Registration: Jun 1946
Age at Death: 63
Registration district: Amounderness
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8e
Page: 542

Amounderness - Created : 1.4.1935 (out of Preston registration district).

Jude

http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/amounderness.html

(has info. on above, Woodplumpton, not that I know things North, lol)

Chris :)

Yes think we are on the right track

Jude

I am now trying to tie up some loose ends with the Mathias family. Mabel Edith's brother was Theophilus Jones Mathias born 13 August 1879 (schools admission)

I have him in 1881 and 1891 censuses.
I have a reference for the Anglo-Boer Wars 1899-1902
In 1901 Kelly's he is at Glanyrafon Caerleon Village - which is the address for his sisters Mary Martha and Beatrice in 1901 - but he's not there. And I can't find him in 1911 either.

Then I have a reference for him being awarded the British War and Victory medals in 1919

But I can't find a death for him. I did find one, but that was for a Theophilus Mathias born 1902

Any fresh eyes would be good!

Jude

Not seeing one as yet, I guess this is the Boer war ref you have?

http://www.dnw.co.uk/auction-archive/catalogue-archive/lot.php?auction_id=41&lot_id=30691

Cheers Rose...yes it's the footnote one I have

Jude

Is this him ??

T J

Last name
MATHIAS

Gender
Male

Age
42

Birth year
1880

Occupation
ASSISTANT

Departure year
1922

Departure day
25

Departure month
1

Departure port
LIVERPOOL

Destination port
ACCRA

Destination
ACCRA

Country
GHANA (GOLD COAST)

Destination country
GHANA (GOLD COAST)

Ship name
APPAM

Ship official number
135442

Ship master's first name
J T

Ship master's last name
TOFT

Shipping line
BRITISH AND AFRICAN S.N.CO.LTD.

City
LIVERPOOL

Ship destination port
WEST COAST OF AFRICA

Ship destination country
AFRICA

Ship registered tonnage
4760.97

Number of passengers
318

Record set
Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960

Category
Travel & migration

Subcategory
Passenger lists

Collections from
Australasia, Great Britain, Ireland, United States


he married

Florence M Vickery - Dec Q 1925 Newport 11a 517

Mavis

It could be him Mavis. But I don't think he married Florence Vickery....I think the Theophilus SHE married was the one born 1902 (died 1966) - I had already looked into this - she was born 1903.

The younger Theo was his nephew (son Of his brother William Benjamin)

This is interesting though

Name: Theofilus Mathias
Departure Date: 5 Jun 1923
Destination: Rio de Janeiro
Birth Date: abt 1879
Age: 44
Gender: männlich (Male)
Marital Status: verheiratet (Married)
Residence: Grünsberg
Ethnicity/Nationality: Großbritannien (English)
Occupation: Kaufmann

Ship Name: Baden
Shipping Clerk: Hamburg-Amerika Linie (Hamburg-Amerikanische Packetfahrt-Actien-Gesellschaft)
Shipping line: Hamburg-Amerika Linie (Hamburg-Amerikanische Packetfahrt-Actien-Gesellschaft)
Ship Type: Dampfschiff
Accommodation: 3. Klasse
Ship Flag: Deutschland
Port of Departure: Hamburg
Port of Arrival: La Coruna; Vigo; Rio de Janeiro; Montevideo; Buenos Aires

Volume: 373-7 I, VIII A 1 Band 297
Household Members:
Name Age
Theofilus Mathias 44




Jude

(also below from google)

93 Tpr Mathias Theophilis Jones (Date of Attestation) Not known (Date of Discharge) 6/6/00 Discharged at Mafeking

http://www.britishmedals.us/files/127bechrifles.htm

Chris :)

(that 1922 Outgoing, is last address UK, 36, Manchester Road, Southport?)

(no idea of anything here!, possibly below)

Baptism: 29 Jul 1883 St Luke, Southport, Lancs.
Joseph Llewellyn Mathias - [Child] of Joseph Mathias & Annie Elizabeth Smith
Abode: 70 Manchester Rd.
Occupation: Provision Dealer
Baptised by: J. K. Marsden
Register: Baptisms 1883 - 1897, Page 2, Entry 15
Source: LDS Film 1849661

06 April 1946 - Lancashire Evening Post - Preston, Lancashire, England

CHADWICK - On the 3rd Inst . at Woodplumpton. BEATRICE ANN. the beloved wife the late THOMAS CHADWICK, aged 63 years.

(not sure if you had above, seems a 'problem' to view images, last night, and still!)

Chris :)

And still!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jude

(now 'fixed' Jude, nothing more on it, other than "Reunited")

Chris :)

(did look at FMP Facebook page from google this morning, and saw complaints on there!. I don't 'do' Facebook, so get it that way lol, and Genes!)