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Joyce
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3 Oct 2012 13:33 |
she is on the 1901 census age 4 daughter of thomas challoner no birth certificate for her at all, I have her death certificate in1926 died in chester would like more info on her (was she adopted) in Shocklach cheshire. Joyce Challoner
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safc
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3 Oct 2012 13:44 |
????
Births Mar 1897 (>99%) Challinor Edith Nantwich 8a 335
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KathleenBell
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3 Oct 2012 13:49 |
Are you sure it isn't her marriage that was 1926? There is this marriage:-
Name: CHALLONER, Edith A Registration district: Chester County: Cheshire Year of registration: 1926 Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec Spouse's last name: Smith Volume no: 8A Page no: 686
Name: SMITH, George B Registration district: Chester County: Cheshire Year of registration: 1926 Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec Spouse's last name: Challoner Volume no: 8A Page no: 686
This could be a possible death if I have the right marriage:-
Name: SMITH, Edith A Registration district: Chester County: Cheshire Year of registration: 1944 Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Age at death: 47 Volume no: 8A Page no: 533
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KathleenBell
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3 Oct 2012 13:58 |
There is this possible birth:-
Name: CHALLONER, Female (unnamed) Registration district: Atcham County: Shropshire Year of registration: 1898 Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3 Volume no: 6A Page no: 628
If this birth was late 1897 and registered in the first quarter of 1898 that would make her 4 on the 1901 census.
Wrexham where they were living in 1901 and Atcham where the birth was are not too far apart.
Kath. x
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ErikaH
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3 Oct 2012 16:14 |
What - exactly - does the death cert say...................please!
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ErikaH
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3 Oct 2012 16:15 |
A birth after the first qtr of 1897 would mean the child being recorded as age 3 in 1901
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ErikaH
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3 Oct 2012 16:20 |
Telling us her birthplace would have helped..............
1901 Wales Census
Name: Edith Adaline Challoner Age in 1901: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Thomas Challoner Mother's Name: Rebecca Challoner Gender: Female Where born: Gwersyllt, Denbighshire, Wales Civil parish: Gwersyllt Ecclesiastical parish: Gwersyllt Holy Trinity Town: Summerhill County/Island: Denbighshire Country: Wales
Registration district: Wrexham Sub-registration district: Wrexham ED, institution, or vessel: 21 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 81 Piece: 5222 Folio: 20 Page Number: 12 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Challoner 49 Rebecca Challoner 46 Richard Challoner 24 James Thomas Challoner 22 Samuel Challoner 16 Edith Adaline Challoner 4 Jame Davies 60 Joseph Maldik 61
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ErikaH
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3 Oct 2012 16:21 |
1911 Wales Census
Name: Thomas Challoner Age in 1911: 60 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851 Relation to Head: Boarder Father (Boarder) Gender: Male Birth Place: Shurlach, Cheshire, England Civil parish: Gwersyllt County/Island: Denbighshire Country: Wales Street Address: Armoury House Summer Hill Gwersyllt Marital Status: Married Occupation: Miners (hewer) Registration district: Wrexham Registration District Number: 621 Sub-registration district: Wrexham ED, institution, or vessel: 21 Household schedule number: 127 Piece: 34048 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Challoner 33 Sarah Challoner 24 Freda Rebecca Challoner 2 Elizabeth Jane Challoner 8/12 Thomas Challoner 60 Rebecca Challoner 57
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ErikaH
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3 Oct 2012 16:32 |
These are the only deaths on freebmd in Chester district in 1926 for anyone named Edith A
Deaths Dec 1926 (>99%) Longueville Edith A 87 Chester 8a 448 Owen Edith A 66 Chester 8a 430 Wainwright Edith A 37 Chester 8a 439
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KathleenBell
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3 Oct 2012 19:02 |
That's why I think Joyce may have made a mistake saying the death was 1926. I think she may have meant marriage instead.
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MarieCeleste
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3 Oct 2012 19:10 |
I think Kath is on the right track with that marriage:
England, Cheshire Parish Registers, 1538-2000
name: George Bowyer Smith event: Marriage event date: 06 Nov 1926 event place: Christ Church, Chester, Cheshire, England gender: Male age: 28y marital status: father: George Bowyer Smith mother: spouse: Edith Adeline Challoner spouse's marital status: spouse's father: Thomas Challoner spouse's mother: film number: 2262789 digital folder number: 4019147 image number: 447
Citing this Record https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F3GV-YDG
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KathleenBell
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3 Oct 2012 19:14 |
Just had a pm from Joyce.
The marriage and death I found were the right ones. She made a mistake saying the death was in 1926 - it was the marriage.
I have asked her to reply on the thread so everyone can see her replies.
Kath. x
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KathleenBell
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3 Oct 2012 19:36 |
I think this is Thomas and Rebecca (badly mistranscribed) in the 1881 census:-
1881 census transcription details for: Freds Row, Broughton
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG11 Piece: 5516 Folio: 87 Page: 7 Reg. District: Wrexham Sub District: Wrexham Parish: Broughton Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Freds Row, Broughton County: Denbighshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
CHALLENOR, Thomas Head Married M 33 1848 General Labour Shocklige, Denbighshire, Wales CHALLENOR, Baccoa Wife Married F 27 1854 General Labour Wife Ruabon, Denbighshire, Wales CHALLENOR, Richard Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar Deaf & Dumb Stafford CHALLENOR, Thomas James Son Single M 3 1878 Scholar Broughton, Denbighshire, Wales CHALLENOR, Murriam Daughter Single F 0 1881 ((Scholar)) Broughton, Denbighshire, Wales ----------- I wonder if Edith was brought up by her grandparents (Thomas and Rebecca as on the 1901 census) but perhaps she was actually the child of their daughter Miriam (Murrian) as Rebecca would be quite old to be her mother - though it wouldn't be impossible.
It is Edith's mother that Joyce is trying to find.
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KathleenBell
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3 Oct 2012 19:42 |
Miriam's marriage? :-
Name: CHALLONER, Miriam Registration district: Wrexham County: Denbighshire Year of registration: 1899 Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912 Volume no: 11B Page no: 449
MarriageFinder: Miriam Challoner married one of the following people:
DAVIES, Thomas<<<<<think she married this one<<<<<<<<<< GITTINS, Robert Henry WOOLLAM, Sarah Elizabeth
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KathleenBell
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4 Oct 2012 18:11 |
In a pm from Joyce she says in reply to Reggie's question about the death cetificate that Edith died of Bronco Pneumonia on 28th March 1944 and an informant found the body at 2 James Court, Thomas Street, Chester.
I have told Joyce how to reply on the thread and asked if there is a place of birth on the death certificate.
Kath. x
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ErikaH
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5 Oct 2012 10:34 |
There won't be, Kath.......that info wasn't included until 1969
And the death cert info is not relevant now, as she was married........which I wasn't aware of when I posed the question
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