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Mary Bowman - 1911

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Peter

Peter Report 10 Oct 2012 19:15

Perhaps her age was recorded inaccurately?:
Deaths Jun 1873
Bowman Mary 37 Stockton 10a 67

This appears to be her death. I asked:

... was Mary Bowman the wife of John Bowman a hawker? Her age should be about 33 and in 1871 she was living in St. James Parish, Stockton. Thank you

The reply was she was NOT 33 (obviously recorded as 37) and the wife of John Bowman a hawker.

Thank you so much for your help!

Peter

Peter Report 6 Oct 2012 19:14

Yes I emailed the register office last night regarding the death in 1873 so I will post their responce.

Thanks again!

patchem

patchem Report 6 Oct 2012 18:56

Thanks, Peter.
Could you update the thread when you hear about the death or get the marriage certificate, as we are always interested in hearing about any new information?

Peter

Peter Report 6 Oct 2012 13:09

Thank you - you came to the same conclusion as myself. I have emailed about the 1873 death and will look into the 1875 marriage when I hear back.

Your opinion is much appreciated. Now to find this sister who died in the asylum.

patchem

patchem Report 6 Oct 2012 13:05

Perhaps her age was recorded inaccurately?:
Deaths Jun 1873
Bowman Mary 37 Stockton 10a 67

patchem

patchem Report 6 Oct 2012 12:58

John claims married 35 years on 1911 census, so about 1875/1876. On the 1881 census Jane is 4, which agrees with that sort of date.
There is this possible marriage from free bmd:
Marriages Mar 1875
xxx BOWMAN John Auckland 10a 294
CHAPMAN Anne Auckland 10a 294
RIPLEY William Auckland 10a 294
xxx SIMPSON Isabella Auckland 10a 294
or you could also apply for a birth certificate of one of the children.
It depends how much you want to track down all the family.

Peter

Peter Report 6 Oct 2012 12:34

Thank you again Patchem

To be honest, although this is bemusing, I can forgive it. I imagine John had a very hard life and probably wanted little connection to any kind of offical.

Also, I am still a little lost trying to find the death of Mary Bowman and John's remarriage.

This is important because, Mary's brother died in the York Clifton Asylum in 1877. It stated a sister had already died there and I now wonder if that was this lady.

However, there are another FOUR sisters whose deaths/marriage I can't account for so it maybe I am stabbing in the dark. What do you think?

patchem

patchem Report 6 Oct 2012 09:09

I am now getting bemused.
The 1891 agrees with the 1881, but this 1901 agrees with the 1891, and ages and his birthplace still out.
See what you think:
1901 England Census
John Bowman Age: 52 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Isabella Bowman
Gender: Male Where born: Hartlepool, Durham, England
Civil parish: Hetton le Hole Ecclesiastical parish: Lyons St Michael and All Angels Town: Easington Lane County/Island: Durham Country: England
Occupation: General Hawker
Registration district: Houghton Le Spring Sub-registration district: Hetton le Hole
ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Household schedule number: 32 Piece: 4696 Folio: 39 Page Number: 5
John Bowman 52
Isabella Bowman 50 Hartlepool, Durham,
Hannah Bowman 18 Spennymoor
John Bowman 16 Thrislington, Durham,
Isabella Bowman 13 Thrislington, Durham,
Elizabeth Bowman 10 Hanwell, Durham,
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4696; Folio: 39; Page: 5.

John does remain a hawker throughout, not a miner or other occupations, I am assuming 'earthenware dealer' in 1911 is 'career progression'.

patchem

patchem Report 6 Oct 2012 08:50

I have added to the censuses some places of birth, not necessarily all checked on actual image.
Unfortunately there is not consistency, it was just the 1881 and 1911 that looked so like him - how many John Bowmans would claim born in Preston when living in Durham?
Once one starts looking there are several possible families in various years, I was trying to fill the 'gap' between 1871 (John born Preston) , 1881, (John born Preston) and 1911 (John born Preston)

Peter

Peter Report 5 Oct 2012 23:27

Hi Patchem, sorry to be a nuisance but as they are problems with ages/names, can I ask you to include the place of birth? Sorry to be a pain. No problem if you can't but I thought I would ask.

patchem

patchem Report 5 Oct 2012 23:15

He is born Stockton Durham in this census (if correct family) and wife a lot older:
1891 England Census
John Bowman Age: 50 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Isabella Bowman
Gender: Male Where born: Stockton, Durham, England
Civil parish: Haswell Ecclesiastical parish: St Pauls Town: Haswell
County/Island: Durham Country: England
Occupation: Hawker of pots
Registration district: Easington Sub-registration district: Easington
ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Piece: 4106 Folio: 122 Page Number: 27
John Bowman 50 Stockton, Durham,
Isabella Bowman 50 Durham
Jane Bowman 14 Ferryhill, Durham,
Joseph Bowman 12 Ferryhill, Durham,
Hannah Bowman 8 Spennymoor, Durham,
John Bowman 6 Cornforth, Durham,
Isabella Bowman 3 Cornforth or Carnforth
Elizabeth Bowman 1 Haswell Lane, Durham,
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 4106; Folio: 122; Page: 27; GSU roll: 6099216.

Isabella in 1881 dies and another Isabella born?
Deaths Mar 1882
Bowman Isabella 1 Durham 10a 206

Peter

Peter Report 5 Oct 2012 23:13

Thanks again - does John appear on the 1891/1901 census? Thank you.

Peter

Peter Report 5 Oct 2012 23:09

Thank you Patchem that is great.

I'll look for Mary's death and John's remarriage!

patchem

patchem Report 5 Oct 2012 23:00

John is still alive in 1911:
BOWMAN, John Head Married M 71 1840 Earthern Ware Dealer Preston Lancashire
BOWMAN, Isabella Wife Married 35 years 6 children, 4 living F 52 1859 Durham City
RG number: RG14 Piece: 30079 Reference: RG14PN30079 RG78PN1737 RD553 SD2 ED8 SN185
Registration District: Houghton Le Spring Sub District: Hetton Le Hole Enumeration District: 8 Parish: Hetton Le Hole
Address: 210 High St Easington Lane Hetton Le Hole
County: Durham

Peter

Peter Report 5 Oct 2012 22:58

Thank you Patchem ... I have not seen this before. Very kind of you. Can you please post the 1871 also? In 1861, John described his place of birth as 'unknown'. Thank you for resolving this for me.

patchem

patchem Report 5 Oct 2012 22:49

It is Mary who has died, and John has married a rather younger bride (he is down as born in Preston on 1871 census).
1881 England Census
John Bowman Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Isabella Bowman
Gender: Male Where born: Preston, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Tudhoe County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address: James St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Hawker Of Pots
Registration district: Durham Sub-registration district: St Oswald
ED, institution, or vessel: 36 Piece: 4957 Folio: 61 Page Number: 4
John Bowman 40 Preston, Lancashire,
Isabella Bowman 23 Durham City
Thomas Bowman 18 Stockton, Yorkshire
John Bowman 20 Stockton, Yorkshire
Joseph Bowman 2 Ferryhill, Durham,
Jane Bowman 4 Ferryhill, Durham
Isabella Bowman 1 month Tudhoe Grange, Durham
Jessie Doney 14
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 4957; Folio: 61; Page: 4; GSU roll: 1342191.

Births Mar 1881
BOWMAN Isabella Durham 10a 378

patchem

patchem Report 5 Oct 2012 22:42

Emily in 1871, so not the correct Mary.
1871 England Census
Ebreley Maude Bowman Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Mary Hebden Bowman
Gender: Female
Where born: Gateshead, Durham, England
Civil parish: Great Driffield Town: Driffield
County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England
Registration district: Driffield Sub-registration district: Driffield
ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Household schedule number: 16 Piece: 4807
Folio: 26 Page Number: 5
Mary Hebden Bowman 32 Malton Confectioner
John Morton Bowman 6
Ebreley Maude Bowman 4
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 4807; Folio: 26; Page: 5; GSU roll: 847356.

patchem

patchem Report 5 Oct 2012 22:37

In the 1881 census posted there is an Emily Bowman, aged 14, so born about 1866, but she is not present on the 1871 census.
She could be with grandparents, or the 1881 could be the wrong family.
Possible birth for Emily:
Births Mar 1867
Bowman Emily Maud Gateshead 10a 683

Possible Emily in 1891:
1891 England Census
Emily M Bowman Age: 24 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Mary Bowman
Gender: Female
Where born: Gateshead, Durham, England
Civil parish: Gateshead Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Durham Country: England
Registration district: Gateshead Sub-registration district: Gateshead
ED, institution, or vessel: 23 Piece: 4179 Folio: 50 Page Number: 40
Mary Bowman 52 Malton, Yorkshire,
John M Bowman 26
Emily M Bowman 24
Mary E Bowman 24 son's wife
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 4179; Folio: 50; Page: 40; GSU roll: 6099289.

Peter

Peter Report 5 Oct 2012 22:20

No thank you again - I will look for a death!

Thank you again.

KempinaPartyhat

KempinaPartyhat Report 5 Oct 2012 22:08

Peter you are really welcome please ask any time I,m really happy to help anyone BUT I can only share what MAY fit or MAY be helpful.........

May be worth trying to find his POSSIBLE death between 1871 and 1881