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Peter
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5 Oct 2012 23:58 |
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Hi, ANOTHER Zachariah Swales.
Can I ask if he can be spotted in the 1911?
He was born c. 1848 in Stokesley, Yorkshire.
I am also looking for his sons, Francis (born 1876 in Redcar, Yorkshire) and ANOTHER Zachariah (born 1880 in Hunton, Yorkshire).
Sometimes, the name ZEchariah is used. Thank you,
Peter
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GlitterBaby
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6 Oct 2012 00:42 |
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Are you expecting Francis and Zac to be married ?
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6 Oct 2012 00:49 |
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1891 is this him ?
Name: Zachariah Swales Age: 43 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah Swales Gender: Male Where born: Stokesley, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Middlesborough Ecclesiastical parish: St Hildas Town: Middlesborough County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address:
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Employment status: View image Registration district: Middlesbrough Sub-registration district: Middlesbrough ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4004 Folio: 110 Page Number: 11 Household Members: Name Age Zachariah Swales 43 Sarah Swales 37 Margaret Swales 16 Hannibal Swales 5
Have you found him in 1901
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6 Oct 2012 00:52 |
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Strange as that Zac does not have sons Francis or Zac on 1881 or 1891
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Peter
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6 Oct 2012 00:54 |
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Hi there, yes that is Zachariah senior in 1891 ... his wife died in 1896 and Hannibal died in 1903. I have no idea about Francis and Zac junior.
Thank you.
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6 Oct 2012 01:02 |
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?? but female
Births Dec 1876 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Swales Frances Guisbro' 9d 514
Redcar is in Guisbro reg dist
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6 Oct 2012 01:10 |
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1881 just for info but no Frances or Francis
Name: Zebariah Swales Relation: Son Father's Name: Zachariah Swales Mother's Name: Sarah Swales Gender: Male Where born: Hunton, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Darlington County/Island: Durham Country: England Street Address: 10 Chancery St Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Darlington Sub-registration district: Darlington ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4885 Folio: 32 Page Number: 12 Household Members: Name Age Zachariah Swales 33 Sarah Swales 26 Margaret Swales 6 Zebariah Swales
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6 Oct 2012 01:28 |
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Deaths Sep 1877 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SWALES Frances 0 Guisbro' 9d 317
Where have you got the information on a son Francis born 1875 Redcar from ?
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6 Oct 2012 01:29 |
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Do you know that Zac born 1880 survived to 1891 ?
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6 Oct 2012 01:36 |
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Name: Zachariah Swales Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880 Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1882 Age at Death: 2 Registration district: Darlington Inferred County: Durham Volume: 10a Page: 11
Have you ruled out this one although year of birth is a abit out
Name: Zachariah Swales Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855 Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1899 Age at Death: 44 Registration district: Guisborough Inferred County: Yorkshire North Riding Volume: 9d Page: 319
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Peter
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6 Oct 2012 12:19 |
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Hi Glitterbaby, wow, a few points raised. Thank you for your time and help.
You have tied up both FrancEs and Zachariah, who seem to have died as babies (I need to now email for their death certificates).
This is another sad story - it seems that the parents seperated after the 1890s. Sarah was sent to prison for petty crime, and later died in 1896. It was suspected a kick from her common-law husband had caused the death, but it was dismissed.
It seems the couple only had two surviving daughters - Margaret from 1875 and Sarah from 1884 (but although I can't find a death, Sarah is not shown in the 1891).
RE The 1899 death at Guisborough for Zachariah Swales - correct age and location BUT there was another cousin with the same name who was baptised on 17 Aug. 1856 in Stokesley, Yorkshire. This seems to be him through probability. Can you spot this cousin on the 1891? This should confirm. I don't know if he married or had a family, so it would be nice to find that out also.
Thank you again. This is very helpful.
Peter
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6 Oct 2012 12:31 |
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What evidence do you have of a daughter Sarah b 1884 ?
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Deaths Jun 1885 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SWALES Sarah Ann 1 Guisborough 9d 345
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6 Oct 2012 12:55 |
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:-S
Name: Zachariah Swales Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856 Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1867 Age at Death: 11 Registration district: Preston Inferred County: Lancashire Volume: 8e Page: 337
? 1861 Name: Zacchariah Swale Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857 Relation: Son Father's Name: John Swale Mother's Name: Elizabeth Swale Gender: Male Where born: Stokesley, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Preston Ecclesiastical parish: Church Town: Preston County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address:
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Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Preston Sub-registration district: Preston ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 56 Piece: 3128 Folio: 160 Page Number: 12 Household Members: Name Age John Swale 39 - Stokesley Elizabeth Swale 30 Elizabeth Swale 9 - Yorkshire Zacchariah Swale 4 Dinah Swale 3 Priscilla Swale 2 Months Class: RG 9; Piece: 3128; Folio: 160; Page: 12; GSU roll: 543083.
Name: Priscilla Swales Date of Trial: 30 Jun 1880 Trial Year: 1880 Location of Trial: Lancashire, England Sentence: Imprisonment - 6 months
Larceny before convicted of felony Term of Police supervision 3 years
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Peter
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6 Oct 2012 12:56 |
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From a baptism in Darlingon dated 16 May 1884. It says only Sarah Swales but of course, the Ann was her mother's middle name and could of been added.
Thank you Glitterbaby.
Peter
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6 Oct 2012 13:01 |
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Ok the 1861 you just posted - I have NEVER seen this before. Can I ask for the families birthplaces (although this OTHER Zachariah's parents were John, 1833-1877 and LAVINIA (b 1834)
Now, although they had a daughter named Elizabeth Swales, born 1852 in Stokesley, the mother LAVINIA was in the Clifton Asylum in York.
She was there and said her husband was abusive. Is Elizabeth senior, 'the other woman'?
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Peter
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6 Oct 2012 13:04 |
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Now a court case in 1880 - what for?
I have never seen the two younger sisters. I wonder who their mother is? Evidently, Priscilla is Elizabeth's (wife 2) child, especially as Lavinia (wife 1) had Clifton Swales (Mar 1861-Dec 1861) in the Clifton Asylum at York.
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6 Oct 2012 13:10 |
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That 1861census is part of my family tree. Mother Elizabeth ( nee Gordon) is daughter of Dinah nee Swales.( the one you said in a PM you weren't related to)
Priscilla Swales and husband Martin Moran both ended up in prision in 1880's Elizabeth went on to marry William Ireland ( son of Flora nee Swales ) Talk about keeping it in the family !
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6 Oct 2012 13:12 |
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From my notes ....( taken from newpapers archives )
PRESTON GUARDIAN 28TH May 1880
THEFT FROM DWELLING HOUSE –
Priscilla Swales and Martin Moran were charged with stealing and receiving 13s 6d belonging to Margaret Borey of 15 Snow Hill on 16th inst. Mr. Blackhurst prosecuted.
On the day in question, prosecutrix placed the money on the mantel piece in the kitchen and shortly afterwards left the house. During her absence a little girl saw Swales enter the dwelling, take the money from the mantel then join the other prisoner in the street. When apprehended Swales said Moran had a share of the money. They were both committed to the sessions for trial.
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DISGRACEFUL ASSAULT –
Martin Moran was charged by William Ireland who appeared in court with his head covered in bandages with assaulting him on Saturday night. The complainant said that about half past ten on Saturday night he was coming along Friargate from the Market place and when he got near Green Street, the prisoner Moran and another man rushed out and Moran got hold of him, knocked him down and kicked him several times on the head, while the other prisoner kicked him severely about the body. Moran put one of his (complainant’s) fingers into his mouth and nearly bit the end off. He did not know what was the cause of the assault, except it was that he had had a summons issued against the prisoner on 23rd January. Patrick Swales who was with the complainant at the time the assault was committed, corroborated the facts and the prisoner was committed to prison for a month with hard labour.
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Peter
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6 Oct 2012 13:18 |
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Oh more confusion. Now, I have seen these names mentioned before but not directly linked to my family like this (although this board is for a cousin of my ancestor). So, it is good to make a connection.
I'll wait to see the birthplaces in 1861 first, if that is ok. This is complicated enough without making it more so!
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6 Oct 2012 13:19 |
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Is this of any help - on the original they state they have been married for thirty years, have had l3 children, 8 still living., and they were not actually married when the children were born, although the mother's maiden name was given on the children's birth cert. -
1911 census - household transcription Person: MORAN, Priscilla Address: 100 Walker St Preston
MORAN, Martin Head Married M 56 1855 Brewer Licensed Victualler Lancashire Preston VIEW MORAN, Priscilla Wife Married 30 years F 46 1865 Lancashire Preston VIEW MORAN, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 18 1893 Weaver Cotton Lancashire Preston VIEW MORAN, M Alice Daughter Single F 13 1898 School Lancashire Preston VIEW MORAN, Lillean Daughter Single F 10 1901 Lancashire Preston VIEW BRANDE, Elizabeth Grandchild Small F 6 1905 Lan Preston VIEW MCCURTNEY, Annie Daughter Married F 26 1885 Card Room Rover Cotton Lan Preston VIEW MCCURTNEY, Priscilla Granddaughter F 4 1907 Lan Preston VIEW MCCURTNEY, John Grandson M 1 1910 Lan Preston VIEW
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