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I have found birth certificates for both my great nan and great grandfather but neither has a maiden name on.

Sydney Layman Thomas 1897
Gertrude Elizabeth Hudson 1897

Anyone got any idea where i could look to get further back?

Kate

1901 England Census about Sidney Layman Thomas
Name: Sidney Layman Thomas
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James Thomas
Mother's Name: Ada Thomas
Gender: Male
Where born: Acton, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Hanwell
Ecclesiastical parish: Hanwell St Mary
Town: Hanwell
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image

Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Acton
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 104
Piece: 1205
Folio: 95
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
James Thomas 34
Ada Thomas 31
Norah Thomas 9
Catherine Thomas 7
Sidney Layman Thomas

Are you sure you mean that you have the certificates?

I somehow doubt it............I think you mean you have found the RECORD on the GRO index

1901 census should show them with their parents.

You haven't given any location info..........can't look for them without it

And a tip, if I may............it's a good idea to say 'please'

I think what you have found are the index entries for the births. You will need to buy the certificates to find out the mother's names. You can buy the certs online from the GRO. google it).

These are the refs you will need to get the certs at the cheapest price:

Births Sep 1897 (>99%)

Thomas Sydney Layman Brentford 3a 153


Births Mar 1897 (>99%)

Hudson Gertrude Elizabeth Brentford 3a 135

The mother's maiden name does not appear on the index until after 1911.........bear that in mind

1911
HUDSON Head Married30 years F 49 1862 At Home Chiswick VIEW
HUDSON, Jesse Daughter Single F 25 1886 Laundry Hand Callandar Chiswick VIEW
HUDSON, Edward Son Single M 22 1889 Nurserymen Carman Chiswick VIEW
HUDSON, Frances Son Single M 20 1891 Nurserymen Labourer Chiswick VIEW
HUDSON, Adam Son Single M 18 1893 Brewer Labourer Chiswick VIEW
HUDSON, Bert Son Single M 16 1895 Brewer Labourer Chiswick VIEW
HUDSON, Gert Daughter Single F 14 1897 School Chiswick VIEW
HUDSON, Mable Daughter Single F 8 1903 Chiswick VIEW

RG number: RG14

Piece: 6934

Reference: RG14PN6934 RG78PN344 RD128 SD5 ED7 SN333

Registration District: Brentford

Sub District: Chiswick

Enumeration District: 7

Parish: Chiswick

Address: 32 Bennett St Chiswick W

County: Middlesex
redefine current search back to 1911 census search results

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Lidney Thomas
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 1 Aug 1897
Father's Name: James Layman Thomas
Mother's Name: Ada Mary Thomas
Parish or Poor Law Union: Acton St Dunstan
Borough: Ealing
Register Type: Parish Registers

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Sidney Thomas
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 11 Aug 1898
Father's Name: James Layman Thomas
Mother's Name: Ada Mary Thomas
Parish or Poor Law Union: Acton Vale St Barnabas
Borough: Ealing
Register Type: Parish Registers

Hi Katy

I am pleased you came back to us after your last thread was reported. :-)

Prickles.


Household transcription
1911 census

Person: THOMAS, Sidney
Address: 8 Castle Road Isleworth

THOMAS, James Head Married M 46 1865 Cabman Horse Liverpool VIEW
THOMAS, Ada Wife Married24 years F 41 1870 Rochester Kent VIEW
THOMAS, Sidney Son M 13 1898 Acton Middx VIEW
THOMAS, James Son M 11 1900 Hendon Middx VIEW
THOMAS, Jack Son M 8 1903 Acton Middx VIEW
THOMAS, Harry Son M 6 1905 Willesden Middx VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 6809
Reference: RG14PN6809 RG78PN340 RD128 SD1 ED4 SN152
Registration District: Brentford
Sub District: Isleworth
Enumeration District: 4
Parish: Isleworth
Address: 8 Castle Road Isleworth
County: Middlesex
(7 children born, 6 living, 1 had died)

well said prickles

parents marraige
Name: THOMAS, James Layman

Registration district: [?] Edmonton

County: Middlesex

Year of registration: 1887

Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep

Spouse's last name Not available before 1912

Volume no: [?] 3A

Page no: [?] 482
MarriageFinder™: [?] James Layman Thomas married one of the following people Transcript
BENNETT, Ada Mary

1901 for gertrudes parents
HUDSON, John Head Married M 48 1853 General Labourer
Chiswick, Middlesex VIEW
HUDSON, Louisa Wife Married F 40 1861 Laundress
Chiswick, Middlesex VIEW
HUDSON, William Son M 17 1884 Shop Assistant (Grocers)
Chiswick, Middlesex VIEW
HUDSON, Jessie Daughter F 15 1886 School
Chiswick, Middlesex VIEW
HUDSON, Edward Son M 13 1888 School
Chiswick, Middlesex VIEW
HUDSON, Francis Son M 11 1890 School
Chiswick, Middlesex VIEW
HUDSON, Adam Son M 9 1892 School
Chiswick, Middlesex VIEW
HUDSON, Berty Son M 7 1894
Chiswick, Middlesex VIEW
HUDSON, Guntunde Daughter F 4 1897
Chiswick, Middlesex VIEW
POPE, Alfred Step Son M 19 1882 General Labourer
Chiswick, Middlesex VIEW

Piece: 1198

Folio: 15

Page: 22

Registration District: Brentford

Civil Parish: Chiswick

Municipal Borough:

Address: 32, Bennett Street, Chiswick

County: Middlesex
redefine current search back to 1901 census search results

1891 England Census
about John Henry Hudson
Name: John Henry Hudson
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Louisa Hudson
Gender: Male
Where born: Hammersmith, London, England
[Hammersmith]

Civil parish: Chiswick
Ecclesiastical parish: St Nicholas
Town: Chiswick
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Chiswick
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1033
Folio: 191
Page Number: 29
Household Members: Name Age
John Henry Hudson 39
Louisa Hudson 30
John Hudson 8
William Hudson 7
Jessie Louisa Hudson 5
Edward Hudson 3
Francis Hudson 11/12

could this be john and louisa's marraige
stepson alfred living with them in 1901

Name: HUDSON, John

Registration district: [?] Fulham

County: London

Year of registration: 1883

Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun

Spouse's last name Not available before 1912

Volume no: [?] 1A

Page no: [?] 427
MarriageFinder™: [?] John Hudson married one of the following people Transcript
POPE, Louisa

??

1881 England Census
about Ada M. Bennett
Name: Ada M. Bennett
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Hannah E. Bennett
Gender: Female
Where born: Rochester, Kent, England

Civil parish: Rochester St Margaret
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address: 50 Queen St
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Medway
Sub-registration district: Rochester
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 886
Folio: 67
Page Number: 26
Household Members: Name Age
Hannah E. Bennett 41 (Mariners Wife) Bobbing Kent
Laura Bennett 15
Ada M. Bennett 11
James A. Bennett 8



1871 England Census
about Ada M Bennett
Name: Ada M Bennett
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James Bennett
Mother's Name: Hannah E Bennett
Gender: Female
Where born: Rochester, Kent, England
Civil parish: St Margaret
Ecclesiastical parish: St Margaret
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Medway
Sub-registration district: Rochester
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 138
Piece: 903
Folio: 52
Page Number: 24
Household Members: Name Age
James Bennett 34 (Master Mariner)
Hannah E Bennett 31
Sidney Bennett 12
Ellen Bennett 10
Laura Bennett 6
Ada M Bennett 1
Osborn Clatworthy 3 (Visitor)



1861 England Census
about Hannah Elizh Bennett
Name: Hannah Elizh Bennett
[Hannah Elizh Foord]
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Head
Father's Name: William Foord
Mother's Name: Mary Foord
Gender: Female
Where born: Bobbing, Kent, England

Civil parish: Milton
Town: Milton
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Milton
Sub-registration district: Milton
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 40
Piece: 528
Folio: 171
Page Number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
Hannah Elizh Bennett 21 (Mariners Wife)
Sidney Bennett 2
Ellen Bennett 3 Months
William Foord 57 (Father)
Mary Foord 57 (Mother)

Marriages Sep 1858 (>99%)
Bennett James Milton 2a 915
Foord Hannah Elizabeth Milton 2a 915

could this be Louisa, (unmarried when she had Alfred )
Name: POPE, Louisa

Registration district: [?] Brentford

County: Middlesex

Year of registration: 1861

Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun

Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3

Volume no:[?]3A

Page no:[?]70

1871
POPE, James F Head M 58 1813 Middlesex VIEW
POPE, Jemima S Wife F 54 1817 Middlesex VIEW
POPE, James Son M 24 1847 Middlesex VIEW
POPE, Adam J Son M 16 1855 Middlesex VIEW
POPE, Eliza Daughter F 14 1857 Middlesex VIEW
POPE, Rhoda J Daughter F 12 1859 Middlesex VIEW
POPE, Louisa Daughter F 10 1861 Middlesex VIEW
POPE, John Son M 8 1863 Middlesex VIEW
POPE, Charles Son M 6 1865 Middlesex VIEW

Piece: 1321

Folio: 50

Page: 39

Registration District: Brentford

Civil Parish: Chiswick

Municipal Borough:

Address: Friesland Row, Chiswick

County: Middlesex

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Hannah Elizabeth Foord
Name: Hannah Elizabeth Foord
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1839
Registration district: Milton
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 5
Page: 346



1851 England Census
about Hannah Foord
Name: Hannah Foord
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William Foord
Mother's Name: May Foord
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Bobbing, Kent, England

Civil parish: Borden
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Milton
Sub-registration district: Milton
ED, institution, or vessel: 7a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 35
Piece: 1627
Folio: 87
Page Number: 9
Household Members: Name Age
William Foord 48
May Foord 48
Harriot Foord 19
Charles Foord 13
Stephen Foord 13
Hannah Foord 11
Richard Foord 9
Julia Foord 7
George Inge 24 (Lodger)



1841 England Census
about Hannah Foord
Name: Hannah Foord
Age: 1 8 Mo
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Gender: Female
Where born: Kent, England

Civil parish: Bobbing
Hundred: Milton
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Milton
Sub-registration district: Milton
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 471
Book: 8
Page Number: 1
Household Members: Name Age

William Foord 35
Mary Foord 35
Susan Foord 13
William Foord 11
Ellen Foord 10
Harriot Foord 7
Charles Foord 5
Stephen Foord 3
Hannah Foord 1 8 Mo
Richard Foord 2 Mo

Oh heck, you mean I sent some of this by email this morning, just come on and seen it here lol, but for ref have also sent Sydney's baptism and that of two of his siblings, twins Harry and Laurie.

Katy check your email. :-)

Well James Layman Thomas, is the next query I would imagine, but there are several possibles in Liverpool possibly the most likely one is this as he ends up in Brentford where James married

??

1871 England Census
about James L Thomas Name: James L Thomas
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Thomas
Mother's Name: Louisa Thomas
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool
Civil parish: Acton
Town: Acton
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Acton
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 114
Piece: 1322
Folio: 68
Page Number: 26
Household Members: Name Age
John Thomas 22
Louisa Thomas 27
James L Thomas 5
Catharine Thomas 4
John H Thomas 2
Ada Rust 14


NB It's not Katy's fault , but if the RRer had just asked her to remove ref' to living people in her previous thread she could have done so,

Ahhh.........i was just about to post more info but Rose may have emailed it already.

Hi PH, you might as well put it lol...

the reason I was emailing Katy is that on the end of the thread which was deleted (just before it whooshed ), I added that as I was related to Katy on the other side of her family I would help if she needed it...

when the thread went I mailed her and she sent me what info she had by email last night...I cracked on with it this morning and sent some stuff but not all...was just about to send some more when I happened to come on here and see the post.

Hi Rose

Probably best then for Katy to sift through the information posted on here and the information you have emailed............then let us know what further information she needs.

Prickles. :-)