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thanx sappho,

i shall keep on going..
cheers for everything you have done to help.

thank you al.
jacki b

Jacki,

Your messages on Messages Boards are a great help to you, but would be great if you could share them with the helpers on this site.

Just state basically what has been shared with you so that in future the members can use those sites in helping to research for others.

I have found it exciting that you have come so far and Judy has been a great help.

Good luck with further research.

Sappho.

cannot access the site.
but thnx anyways

jacki b

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Sappho

Hi Jackie,

Remember I am in NZ so got your messages this morning.

I think you could ask Bill this once he returns your contact message. Do you have access to Ancestry as it was there on message boards that I found your threads?

There is a lot of messages to be followed up and you need to ask where the information came from. It is highly possible that they are into the Eastern European sites which may give you a language problem.

Just go back into their site and add her information and it will bring up all the connections to this name from whoever if you get my meaning.

I would go in for you, but my days are busy for the next two or three - we have a drill up our drive drilling down to see if our foundations are in a state to be repaired or a demolition of our house - keeps me off the computer a bit!

Good luck again.

Sappho

hi sappo
i have been back in contact with Bill to see if the cd he found this info on has anymore .

do you know ho i can check to see if this info could be her?

thank you
jacki b

Hello again Jacki,

Just on the names: I have found that in Russian naming the translation can be Mary, Maria, Marie etc. so that when looking on the sites it is hard to establish if one or other are the same person. Going back for names is very hard as the borders for the countries where your family originated from have changed so that once it may have been Poland, Russian, Latvia, Lithuania, and many people found they were once in Poland and now it is Germany, Russia or whoever was winning the war of the day!!

Sorry it is a simplistic way of describing but it was that way.

I am still looking for you and wish you good luck with this. I am still tracing my family with huge success and genes have been great.

Good luck again,

Sappho

DetEcTive,

Well done on the family. When trying to trace my East European and Russian roots I have found the incoming passenger lists for Europe unlikely to be available as you stated, but I think Jacki's connection went first to Ellis Island and then came from there to GB, which may mean there is an incoming list for them.

From the Message Boards, there is a whole lot of info. to go through on this family.

Sappho.

The information on Message Boards says they came to England via Ellis Island so may pay you to look there, but Jacki I really think it would be a good idea to revisit your thread on Message Boards as there has been a lot of time spent on this on your behalf.

It really does give a lot of information and it would help you to eliminate what is now not relevant. I know it was 2007 but it would save helpers going over the same ground as others have gone.

Good luck again.

Sappho

This is one, which I think may answer one of your queries:

And the one that went to the uk

Post 759552
Podagaisky, Marché - Flicka (unmarried woman)
b. 6/5/1865
Emigrated 10/24/1882 from Viken 42, Karlstads stadsförs, Värmlands län (Värmland)
to Manchester, Storbritannien
Source: Household Examination Roll, p. 1024, Emibas migration file ID: Karlstads stadsförs S 1882 110
Un-normalized versions: Country of destination: England

Did you get back to Bill Colberg?

He seems to have some input on Message Boards about the family you seek.

Sappho

Hi Jacki,

On Ancestry Message Boards there is a whole list of requests from mumamafia - Detective found this too - I am assuming you have been looking for family on these site under Eastern Europe.

There are a lot of replies about the family - they have offered you a lot of information back in 2007.

Did you follow these through?

They are still on Ancestry Message Boards.

Good luck,

Sappho

yes i think they just wrote it as they thought it sounded, its so hard to find anything about them because of the name changes. dont know what to do or where to go as i did go to kew in richmond a few years ago when i found out about them but couldnt find anything like naturalisation or anything but them i was quiet new to the archives. its quite daunting so much to look at.

thank you anyways Christine.

jacki b

I don't know if you're aware of it, but Lithuanian names can change according to which family member it is. A man's surname may end in MAS ( ............mas), but his daughter's name would end in MAITE (..........maite). His wife's name would probably have a different ending and I'm not sure about a son.

I'm not entirely sure how this works - my daughter-in-law is Lithuanian, but it may help you when searching if you can't find exactly the right name.

Glad you're aware of that then :-D

Even though there is unlikley to be incoming to GB passenger lists from Europe, if you can pin down an approx date range, it can help.

It's good to stick to one thread, so on that basis, we'd better leave this for additional suggestions on where you can look independently :-)

yes that's my other tree tho i havent updated it for ages as i said .
Mary the mother born 1852 ish her daughter and son Joseph were born russia/poland. yes the other children born here which i found abit strange as Mary was pretty old by that time giving birth to my gran Ellen 1900. Mary the daughter wasnt born in scotland she signed her father frank's death cert.
i do have a thread on here about ships passengers and stuff. i dont wna get all confused anymore than i am.. so i may have deleat sum threads so as not to dupicate what and who im looking for.

francis miller is not my frank..as far as i see.. there are two frank millers with wives mary both tailors.. one with kids and the other without.. mine is the one with .. god this is getting confusing again.. phew!!

Marriage under the name of Miller
Marriages Jun 1890 (>99%)

MILLER Francis Newcastle T. 10b 244
STEWART Mary Newcastle T. 10b 244

Working backwards from the census extract
1911
Francis Miller
Age in 1911: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: S Hanley, Northumberland, England
Civil parish: Westgate
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street Address: 38 Bell Street Westgate Road N Castle
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Tailor (maker)
Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne
Name Age
Francis Miller 49
Mary Miller 60 b Kinnettles, Forfarshire

Married 20 years, no children of this marriage
Street Address: North Charlton

1891
Francis Miller
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Miller
Gender: Male
Where born: Longhorsley, Northumberland, England
Civil parish: All Saints
Ecclesiastical parish: Christ Church
Town: Newcastle upon Tyne
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Francis Miller 29
Mary Miller 40

1881
Francis Miller
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Apprentice
Gender: Male
Where born: Longhorsley, Northumberland, England
Civil parish: North Charlton
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

It seems that the Tree on Ancestry has merged two Francis Millers!

Are you mumamafia, the tree owner? The tree is called Terrell family tree

If what is listed on there is correct, then the eldest 2 children were born in "Greater?" Russia in Joseph 1885 and Mary 1888.

Then there are
William & Victoria 1898 in Northumberland
Ellen 1900 Northumberland who married Benjamin Turrell.

Since the extracts from census says that Mary, their mother, was born in Scotland, it could be that it was his 2nd marriage and the eldest 2 his... or adopted members of an extended family. Odd there is a 11 year gap in child birth

Its all a bit confused and it could be that some of the research is a little squiffy

OK – a tree on Ancestry has an MC uploaded, which may be relevant (or not!)

25 Sep 1923 at St Lukes Episcopal Church Glasgow
Benjamin Charles Terrell and Ellen Miller (Domestic Servant)

Parents of Ellen – Frank Miller (Tailor journeyman) and Mary Miller maiden name Podenskey

Frank Miller’s DC also uploaded
Frank Miller formerly Minczinskas (tailor) widower of Mary Pudinskinstie.
Died 3 Jun 1926 @ St Jospeh’s Home Garngadhill? Glasgow. Usual residence 16 Wylie Street Hamilton
Informant Mary Kennedy (daughter)

So we are looking for possible incoming to GB records,


The same tree has transcribed records garnered from census

1881 ;;
FRANCIS MILLER 19 APPRENTICE TAILOR LIVIBG WITH SMITH FAMILY IN LANGHORSLEY NORTH CHARLTON NORTHUMBERLAND
1891;;
FRANCIS MILLER 29 TAILOR BORN RUSSIA/POLAND(FOR SUBJ)
MARY MILLER 40 SCOTLAND ,THEY WERE LIVING IN NEWCASTLE ALL SAINTS
1901 ;;
F.M. 43 (WID) TAILOR RUSSIA
ELLEN 8MONTHS WIGAN 1901 (8C/30
WILLIAM 3 YRS MANCHESTERLANE IN FANHURST YARD WIGAN 1897
VICTORIA 4 YRS " " SEP 1896 (8D/311)
MARY 12 YRS RUSSIA
JOSEPH 15 YRS RUSSIA

Since UK English and Welsh DC don't give the parents names, where did he die?

I think we've been assuming that the family immigrated to the UK - was the initial immigration to another country?

Do you have an approx year of birth for any of them? Where did the marriage(s) take place?
Have you found them on any UK census?

hello Anncardiff,

yeah its a tuffy as they did change their names which i have from death and birth records/certs. not sure if the spelling are correct?

maybe the reg just wrote the names how he thought they sounded because it seems frank and mary couldnt write.
they are:
FRANK MILLER FORMALLY MINSYINSKAS
WIFE MARY FORMALLY YAKOB/PUDENSKY/PODEMSKI
Franks parents were on his death cert both deseaced.
JOHN MINSYINSKAS (TAILOR)
HIS WIFE ANNIE CURVINSKUTIS?
Like i said im not sure of spelling or if they are from LITHUANIA,
thank you
jacki b :-D