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John Parry 1877 - Updated

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Jo in Wales

Jo in Wales Report 26 Oct 2012 07:10

I am looking for information on John Parry born c1877 in Flint Flintshire, son of Robert Parry and Ann Roberts. His father died around his birth in 1877. I have found him on the censuses up to and including 1901 with his mother Ann, Ann died in 1903. I cannot locate John on the 1911 census. The John Parry on the 1911 with Lizzie his wife was married in 1903 and he states his father as Thomas. There is a John Parry with father Thomas born in Flint in 1877 (1891 census), so I would take it that this is him on the 1911 census.
Can anyone help me locate him on the 1911 census please?
Thanks in advance
Jo

Update
I have received the marriage certificate for the marriage so kindly found by Lynski. Unfortunately he states his father as Thomas too and have found him with his family on the 1881 census, so I am ruling this one out too. So any further help in finding my John would be appreciated please.
Thanks again
Jo

Lynski

Lynski Report 26 Oct 2012 09:38

1881 census for reference -

PARRY, Ann Head Widow F 49 1832 Housekeeper & Keep Lodgers Bagillt, Flintshire, Wales VIEW
PARRY, Robert Son Single M 7 1874 Scholar Flint, Flintshire, Wales VIEW
PARRY, John Son Single M 3 1878 Flint, Flintshire, Wales VIEW
PICKERING, Thomas Lodger Single M 32 1849 Labourer In Chemical Works Mold, Flintshire, Wales VIEW
THOMAS, Margaret Lodger Widow F 63 1818 St George Parish ((M?)), Cheshire VIEW

Piece: 5506
Folio: 24
Page: 42
Registration District: Holywell
Civil Parish: Flint
Municipal Borough:
Address: Swan Lane, Flint
County: Flintshire

Lynski

Lynski Report 26 Oct 2012 09:48

???????????

1911 census -

PARRY, John Head Married M 34 1877 Dock Labourer Flints Holywell VIEW
PARRY, Maria Jane Wife Married7 years F 29 1882 Flints Mold VIEW
PARRY, Phoebe Maud Daughter F 6 1905 School Lancs Liverpool VIEW

RG number: RG14
Piece: 22219
Reference: RG14PN22219 RG78PN1314 RD454 SD1 ED8 SN322
Registration District: Toxteth Park
Sub District: Toxteth Park North West
Enumeration District: 8
Parish: Toxteth Park
Address: 47 Mission Hall Hyslop Street Liverpool S
County: Lancashire

Original census states 3 children born, 2 died.


?????????
Marriages Dec 1903 (>99%)
PARRY John Liverpool 8b 256
PARRY Maria Jane Liverpool 8b 256


Other children????????

Births Sep 1914 (>99%)
Parry James Parry Toxteth P. 8b 246

Births Sep 1917 (>99%)
Parry Winifred Parry Toxteth P. 8b 330

Births Dec 1918 (98%)
Parry Harriet Parry Toxteth P. 8b 318

Births Sep 1921 (>99%)
Parry Robert Parry Toxteth P. 8b 423


A son called Robert, after his father perhaps???

Obviously, you would have to get some certificates or use the "Search all trees" function under the Search button above to start writing to other members to see if you have a connection.


Lynski

Lynski Report 26 Oct 2012 09:57

The two children who died are actually listed and crossed out on the original census -

Lillian Mary Parry, 5
Elsie Mary Parry, 2


Jo in Wales

Jo in Wales Report 29 Oct 2012 04:14

Hi Lynski
Firstly my apologies for not getting back to you sooner. Thank you very much for the information that is certainly a possibility. I will look into it further.
Thanks again.
Best regards
Jo

Susan

Susan Report 29 Oct 2012 08:10

A Possible.

1911 Wales Census
about John Parry Name: John Parry
Age in 1911: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Flint, Flintshire, Wales
Civil parish: Holywell
County/Island: Flintshire
Country: Wales
Street Address: 3 Boatmans Row Bagillt Flintshire
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 7
Estimated Marriage Year: 1904
Occupation: Collier (hewer)
Registration district: Holywell
Registration District Number: 619
Sub-registration district: Holywell
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household schedule number: 59
Piece: 33924
Household Members: Name Age
John Parry 34
Lizzie Parry 32
Thomas Parry 6
Leah Parry 4
Mary E Parry 2



Susan

Susan Report 29 Oct 2012 08:22

In the 1901 Census with his Mother he is a Coal hewer,the same as the 1911 posted above.

1901 Wales Census
about John Parry Name: John Parry
Age in 1901: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Ann Parry
Gender: Male
Where born: Flint, Flintshire, Wales

Civil parish: Flint
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Flint
County/Island: Flintshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: 31 Swan St
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image <<<<<Coal Hewer

Registration district: Holywell
Sub-registration district: Flint
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 246
Piece: 5212
Folio: 125
Page Number: 37
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Parry 70
Robert Parry 27
John Parry 24
George Logan 8



Jo in Wales

Jo in Wales Report 1 Nov 2012 04:30

Hi Susan
Thank you for taking the time to research this for me. I have found that John in Bagillt, but he states his father as Thomas on the marriage certificate.
Thanks again.
Jo

Jo in Wales

Jo in Wales Report 14 Nov 2012 04:28

Updated

Reggie

Reggie Report 14 Nov 2012 12:56

How did you get back to John c1877?

If it wasn't through descendants, have you considered that he may have died?

Did he register his mother's death?

Susan

Susan Report 17 Nov 2012 05:55

Have you looked at this one .

1911 Wales Census
about John William Parry Name: John William Parry
Age in 1911: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Buckley, Flint
Civil parish: Sker, Kenfig and Pyle
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: Evergreen Cottage Maudlam Pyle Nr Bridgend Glam
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 7
Estimated Marriage Year: 1904
Occupation: Coal Miner Repairer
Registration district: Bridgend
Registration District Number: 591
Sub-registration district: Bridgend
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Household schedule number: 104
Piece: 32587
Household Members: Name Age
John William Parry 34
Sarah Parry 39

Married 1904 ?
No children and married 7 years...it would fit with him being with his mother 1901 and her passing 1903.

Susan

Susan Report 17 Nov 2012 06:16

There is also this one ...living with A sister Emma ? 1911

1911 Wales Census
about John Parry Name: John Parry
Age in 1911: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Leeswood, Mold, Flintshire, Wales
Civil parish: Mold
County/Island: Flintshire
Country: Wales
Street Address: 16 Vale View Leeswood Mold
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Platelayer
Registration district: Holywell
Registration District Number: 619
Sub-registration district: Mold
ED, institution, or vessel: 08
Household schedule number: 242
Piece: 33956
Household Members: Name Age
John Parry 35
Emma Parry 28

..........................................
There is also this one.... Mother Anne a widow different siblings .
Can you let us know who his Siblings were if you know that is.
This John has a middle name beginning with P

1891 Wales Census
about John P Parry Name: John P Parry
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Ann Parry
Gender: Male
Where born: Flint

Civil parish: Flint
Ecclesiastical parish: Flint
Town: Flint
County/Island: Flintshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Holywell
Sub-registration district: Flint
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4608
Folio: 53
Page Number: 52
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Parry 40 <<<<Widow
John P Parry 15 <<<Coal Hewer
William J Parry 10
Sarah E Parry 11
Mary C Parry 7



HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 17 Nov 2012 11:44

Guessing this is his father's death

Deaths Jun 1877 (>99%)
Parry Robert 57 Holywell 11b 200

and one of these his mother's
Deaths Mar 1903 (>99%)
Parry Ann 72 Holywell 11b 158
Deaths Sep 1903 (>99%)
Parry Ann 72 Holywell 11b 145

So 1871??
Name: Robert Parry
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Parry
Gender: Male
Where born: Flint, Flintshire, Wales
Civil parish: Flint
Town: Flint
County/Island: Flintshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Holywell
Sub-registration district: Flint
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 207
Piece: 5644
Folio: 67
Page Number: 30
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Parry 51
Ann Parry 39

1881
Name: Ann Parry
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Bagillt, Flintshire, Wales
Civil parish: Flint
County/Island: Flintshire
Country: Wales
Street Address: Swan Lane
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: Housekeeper & Keep Lodgers
Registration district: Holywell
Sub-registration district: Flint
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5506
Folio: 24
Page Number: 42
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Parry 49
Robert Parry 7
John Parry 3
Thomas Pickering 32
Margaret Thomas 63

View original image
View blank

1891
Name: Ann Parry
Age: 59
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Flintshire, Wales
Civil parish: Flint
Ecclesiastical parish: Flint
Town: Flint
County/Island: Flintshire
Country: Wales
Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Holywell
Sub-registration district: Flint
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4608
Folio: 47
Page Number: 39
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Parry 59
Robert Parry 17
John Parry 13

So my guess is IF THIS IS THEM, only sibling is Robert

Jude

Jo in Wales

Jo in Wales Report 22 Nov 2012 06:03

Reggie, Susan & Jude
Apologies for not coming back to you sooner. Thank you for taking the time in looking at this for me.

Reggie - Yes, I have thought of that, but cannot locate one in Flintshire, I know he could have died elsewhere, need to look into that.

Susan - No he doesn't have a middle name.

Jude - Yes that is the family, his only sibling is Robert, his parents married in 1862. Ann's death is Deaths Sep 1903 (>99%)
Parry Ann 72 Holywell 11b 145

I am going to send for this certificate hoping that John registered the death, but Robert didn't marry until 1905, so he was at home too.

Thanks again.

Jo