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William Wigmore
Age in 1911: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Wooton Bassett, Wiltshire, England
Civil parish: Llanishen
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: Llwyncrwn Llanishen Glam
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Deliverer Of Milk
Registration district: Cardiff
Registration District Number: 588
Sub-registration district: Llandaff
ED, institution, or vessel: 08
Household schedule number: 127
Piece: 32052
Household Members: Name Age
John Nurray 28
Ellen Nurray 25
John Nurray 1
Joseph Nurray 2/12
William Wigmore 17

He's a "deliver of milk in 1911

thanks guy for your above posts it does look like the correct family but i will get back on a bit later after i have tried to speak to a relative who has allowed me to add her family into my tree

Snap Dea and Edit Flip

In 1911 the main family are still in Clayton Road, Hook, but this is probably William
1911 census transcription details for: Llwyncrwn Cottage Llanishen Glam

National Archive Reference:
RG14PN32052 RG78PN1844 RD588 SD1 ED8 SN127
Reg. District: Cardiff
Sub District: Llandaff
Parish: Llanishen
Enum. District: 8
Address: Llwyncrwn Cottage Llanishen Glam
County: Glamorganshire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
MURRAY, John Head Married
4 years M 28 1883 Cowman Micheltown Ireland
MURRAY, Ellen Wife Married
4 years F 25 1886 Micheltown Ireland
MURRAY, John Son M 1 1910 Llanishen Glam
MURRAY, Joseph Son M 0 (2 MONTH) 1911 Llanishen Glam
WIGMORE, William Boarder Single M 17 1894 Deliverer Of Milk Wooton Bassett Wilts

This looks like his death?


England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006 about William Wigmore
Name: William Wigmore
Birth Date: 26 Jan 1893
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1970
Age at Death: 77
Registration district: Dartford
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 5f
Page: 734

Dea x

Thanks Flip . sorry I didnt reply earlier we had a visitor and only now just got back again at the thread

looks like the right family without a doubt
i have them living at 1 burwood cottages one tree hill guildford in 1932 don't know if this helps to find jessie

I didn't know we wanted Jessie :-S

This would be her on 1901 (according to a tree on Ancestry! (WILL need checking to be sure !!!)

1901 England Census about Jessie Sibley
Name: Jessie Sibley
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John Sibley
Mother's name: Mary Sibley
Gender: Female
Where born: Chobham, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Chobham
Ecclesiastical parish: Chobham St Lawrence
Town: Chobham
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Registration district: Chertsey
Sub-registration district: Chobham
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 49
Piece: 595
Folio: 27
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
John Sibley 42 Cowman on Farm
Mary Sibley 31
Louisa Sibley 10
Jessie Sibley 8
Lucy Sibley 8
John Sibley 6
Ethel Sibley 4
Herbert Sibley 2

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 595; Folio: 27; Page: 8.

The birth reference has been given on page 1.

Dea x

She's Jessie Emily by 1911, matching with the birth as Dea has pointed out. I think you need that marriage certificate for her father's name/occupation to be sure though!

thank you guys for all your help given

i have now got john daniel james wigmore from prevoius post but have not been able to find him in 1871 census
he was born in 1869 in gloucestershire
i have found him on familysearch.org but without his parents
any help please and many thanks in advance

Census 1901 gives his birthplace as Newnham:

Census 1901:

Name: John D J Wigmore
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: June Wigmore
Gender: Male
Where born: Neywam, Gloucestershire, England
[Newnham, Gloucestershire, England]

Census 1871:

Address: Malmsbury Road, Leigh County: Wiltshire

WIGMORE, Isaac Head M 29 1842 Wiltshire Charlton
WIGMORE, Harriet Wife F 31 1840 Radnorshire Bashigan
WIGMORE, John Son M 3 1868 Gloucestershire Newnham<<
WIGMORE, Anne Daughter F 2 1869 Wiltshire Leigh
WIGMORE, Harriott Daughter F 0 1871 Wiltshire Leigh
WIGMORE, Anna Niece F 16 1855 Wiltshire Charlton



INTERESTING.....

Name: Harriet Wigmore
Date of Trial: 6 Jul 1883
Trial Year: 1883
Location of Trial: Wiltshire, England
Charge Manslaughter
Sentence: Imprisonment

Charge was manslaughter. Sentenced to 10yrs. Don't know if she is the same Harriet, but if the below is the convicted Harriet then she was the right age:

Census 1901:

Name: Harriett Wigmore
Age: 61
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Patient
Gender: Female
Where born: N
Civil parish: Roundway
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Roundway
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England
Street Address:

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Registration district: Devizes
Sub-registration district: Devizes
ED, institution, or vessel: Asylum

Married, formerly a herbalist.

Same lady in 1891 in Broadmoor:

Name: Harriet Wigmore
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Patient
Gender: Female
Where born: In South Water, Somerset, England
[Somewhere in South Wales, Somerset, England]
Civil parish: Sandhurst
Ecclesiastical parish: Crowthorne
Town: Crowthorne
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England
Street Address:


Registration district: Easthampstead
Sub-registration district: Sandhurst
ED, institution, or vessel: Broadmoor Asylum

She is described as married and wife of a gardener.

Census 1881:

Name: Isaac Wigmore<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Harriett Wigmore<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Gender: Male
Where born: Charlton, Wiltshire, England
Civil parish: Calne
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England
Street Address: Lickhill Road
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:
Occupation: Gardener (7)<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Registration district: Calne
Sub-registration district: Calne
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2035
Folio: 58
Page Number: 42

Household Members:
Name Age
Isaac Wigmore 40
Harriett Wigmore 38
John Wigmore 13<<<<<<<<<<<<<,
Jane Wigmore 9
Richard Wigmore 8
Thomas Wigmore 5
Ruth Wigmore 3

Not sure about the location of this marriage, but it's the only one I can find:

Marriages Jun 1866
Powell Harriet Wolverhampton 6b 693
Wigmore Isaac Wolverhampton 6b 693

Death:
Name: Isaac Wigmore
Birth Date: abt 1842
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1921
Age at Death: 79
Registration district: Malmesbury
Inferred County: Wiltshire
Volume: 5a
Page: 53


Name: Isaac Wigmore
Probate Date: 17 Aug 1921
Death Date: 3 Jun 1921
Death Place: Wiltshire, England
Registry: London, England

Of 11 Gaston Rd Sibley Malmesbury Wiltshire. Administration to Harriet Wigmore widow. Effects £130 10s 10d.

Census 1911:

Address: Old Farm House Clayton Road Hook
County: Surrey

Married 21 yrs 7 children. 6 living, 1 deceased.

WIGMORE, John Daniel James Head Married M 42 1869 Farm Labourer Glostershire Newhnham
WIGMORE, Matilda Jane Wife Married 21 years F 38 1873 Hants Southampton
WIGMORE, Annie Florence May Daughter F 14 1897 Machinist In Laundry Wilts Highworth
WIGMORE, Edith Leyelia Daughter F 11 1900 School Kent Hayes
WIGMORE, James Son M 7 1904 School Hants Fleet


MARRIAGE:

Marriages Dec 1889
>>Best Matilda Jane Barnet 3a 307
Collip Ernest William Barnet 3a 307
Parsons Emma Barnet 3a 307
>>WIGMORE John Daniel J Barnet 3a 307

The Gloucester Citizen 20th June 1883

reported an inquest into the death of Mary Ann Salter, servant girl who died last Saturday. She had been in service for several years in London, and had returned home.
She was attended by Harriet Wigmore, herbalist, who administered drugs. After hearing medical and other evidence the jury returned a verdict of murder against the woman and the Coroner committed her for trial.

Gloucester Citizen 10th July 1883

Sentence of 10 yrs penal servitude was passed yesterday by Lord Justice Fry on Harriett Wigmore 43, a herbalist belonging to Chippenham for causing the death of a domestic servant Mary Ann Saltey by administering certain liquid and sixteen powders.
The jury returned a verdict of manslaughter, it having been shown that the deceased died from the effects of the prisoner's treatment.

Edit: I checked both articles again and Mary Ann is reported as Salter in the first, and Saltey in the second.


?????

Deaths Jun 1883 Salter Mary Ann 33 Chippenham 5a 49

thank you so much kucinta for all your recent posts great help and it does seem like the same harriet reading the posts :-)