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THRASHER & JEZARD & COURTENAY FAMILY 1 OF 2

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Lorraine Karen

Lorraine Karen Report 2 Nov 2012 19:59

Reason for setting up GenesReunited FindAncestors Thread is we are trying to find father of Horace Courtenay born Earls Court 1895 & any living relatives.While researching other branches of our family using Ancestry, Find My Past & other internet research has been relatively easy with almost all births,marriages,deaths&census records being available. However, Thrasher, Jezard & Courtenay family have few births, marriages, deaths & census records that can be found on Ancestry, Find My Past or other internet research, (THANK YOU GENES REUNITED RESEARCHERS SINCE THREAD WAS POSTED WE HAVE DISCOVERED THAT ROBERT & PRISCILLA & GRACE & RUTH WERE THRASHERS & PRISCILLA REMARRIED TO JOHN JEZARD - HOWEVER, STILL RECORDS NOT ABLE TO TRACE) so we are hoping that following family groups may belong to your family & that you may be able to help solve this family mystery for us. Thank you for your help & we very much look forward to hearing from you!

We are trying to trace Thrasher/Pope family members whose ancestors are:
Father: Robert Thrasher born 1832 order death 1879
Mother: Priscilla May Thrasher (Pope) (later marries as Priscilla May Jezard), born 1837
Daughter: Eliza Thrasher, 1869 Holborn
Daughter: Louisa Thrasher 1874 Holborn (Louisa Thresher & married Louisa Atkins) - order birth
Daughter: Ruth Thrasher (later Ruth Jezard & Ruby Jezard & married Ruby Court) born 1879 Holborn - order birth
Daughter: Alice Maud Mary Thrasher (late Alice Maud Mary Jezard & Grace Alice Maud Mary Courtenay & married Grace Alice Maud Mary Solomon) born 1872 Holborn - order birth 1872

We are trying to trace Courtenay family members whose ancestors are:
Father - H Courtenay (but is actually unknown as to who is he)
Mother - Grace Alice Maud Mary Courtenay spinster (birth maiden name Alice Maud Mary Thrasher and & Alice Maud Mary Jezard) born 1872 Holborn
Son - Horace Courtenay born 1895 Earls Court (family birthday 2 January & Latymer Upper School birthday 21 September)
Grace is living at 18 Finborough Road Kensington boarding house run by Eliza Anne Chaplin in 1901 census living on own means
Horace is living at 78 Hamlet Court Road, Prittlewell, Southend at the Westcliff College For Girls boarding school run by Agnes Shepherd in the 1901 census
Violet Gezard (should be Jezard) is living at 78 Hamlet Court Road, Prittlewell, Southend at the Westcliff College For Girls boarding school run by Agnes Shepherd in the 1901 census
Horace attends Latymer Upper School from 1906 to 1910 & the father listed is Solomon H L Courtenay (which is a combination of his step-father Herbert Lewis Solomon & his blood father H Courtenay)
Horace states on his wedding certificate in 1924 that his father is H Courtenay deceased
There is an old family rumour that Horace Courtenay is the illegitimate son of an Earl

We are trying to trace Solomon family members whose ancestors are:

Step-father - Herbert Lewis Solomon born 1871 Brixton
Wife - Grace Alice Maud Mary Solomon (Grace Alice Maud Mary Courtenay & Alice Maud Mary Thrasher & Alice Maud Mary Jezard) born 1872 Holborn
Step-son - Horace Courtenay born 1895 Earls Court
Nephew - Edward Leslie Court born 1905 Fulham
Herbert is living at 79 Linden Gardens Kensington in 1901 census
Herbert & Grace are living at 18 Finborough Road Kensington boarding house & Robert Courtenay father is deceased on their 1901 wedding certificate in Kensington
Herbert, Grace & Horace are living together at 6 Charleville Mansions in Kensington in 1906 on Latymer Upper School records
Herbert, Grace, Horace & Edward are living together at 31 Bushwood Gardens in Kew in 1911 census

Father - Saul Solomon born 1818 Sheerness
Mother - Elizabeth Solomon born 1830 Newington (maiden name Levy)
Son - Herbert Lewis Solomon born 1871 Brixton
Son - Joseph Solomon born 1861 Finsbury
Son - George Solomon born 1873 Brixton
Son - Reginald Solomon born 1877 Brixton
Daughter - Isabel Solomon born 1865 Finsbury
Son - Montague Solomon born Brixton 1866
Daughter - Rachel Solomon born 1860 Finsbury
Son - Alfred Solomon born 1865 St Lukes
Son - Frank Solomon born 1869 Lambeth
Daughter - Maria Solomon born 1859 St Lukes
Herbert is living with Elizabeth, Joseph, George & Reginald at 79 Linden Gardens Kensington on the 1901 census

We are trying to trace Rutherglen family members whose ancestors are:
Father - John H Rutherglen born 1846 Stepney
Mother - Elizabeth M Rutherglen born 1851 Camberwell
Son - David H Rutherglen born 1880 Chiswick
John, Elizabeth & David are living at Lynmouth Villa, Grove Park Road, Chiswick in 1901 census
David is a witness to Herbert Solomon's & Grace Courtenay's wedding on their wedding certificate in 1901 in Kensington

We are trying to trace Chaplin/Travers family members whose ancestors are:
Daughter - Eliza Anne Chaplin (Travers) born 1847 Wimborne Dorset
Eliza is the boarding house keeper where Grace Courtenay & Gertrude Englehardt are staying on the 1901 census
Eliza is the boarding house keeper where Grace Courtenay & Herbert Solomon are staying before they get married on their wedding certificate in 1901 Kensington
Eliza is a witness to Herbert Solomon's & Grace Courtenay wedding on their wedding certificate in 1901 in Kensington - Herbert's father is dead but his mother is alive & disapproves of the wedding due to marrying an unmarried mother & different religions

We are trying to trace Englehardt/Barnes family members whose ancestors are:
Daughter: Gertrude Englehardt (Barnes), born 1846, Cheltenham
Gertrude is staying at the boarding house with Eliza A Chaplin & Grace Alice Maud Mary Courtenay at 133 Finborough Road, Kensington

We are trying to trace Court/Jezard/Thrasher family members whose ancestors are:

Father - Albert Edward Court born 1874 Norwood
Mother - Ruby Court (Ruth Jezard & Ruth Thrasher & Ruby Jezard) born 1879 Norwood
Son - Edward Leslie Court born 1905 Fulham
Ruby is living at 7 Hildyard Road Fulham on her marriage record in Fulham
Albert is living at 5 Merrington Road Fulham on his marriage record in Fulham
When Ruth (Ruby) gets married in 1900 she states her father is Robert Jezard deceased - her birth father was Robert & step-father was Jezard - she was only a baby when Robert Thrasher died - could John Jezard be the father - or is Ruth remembering them both out of respect - marriage ordered
Albert & Ruby are living at 19 Dorset Mansions, Lillie Road Fulham in the 1901 census
Louisa Thrasher is working as a servant in Dorset Mansions in the 1901 census
Albert, Ruby & Edward are living at 52 Inglethorpe Street Fulham on Edward's birth certificate in 1905
Edward is living with Herbert Solomon, Grace Solomon & Horace Courtenay at 31 Bushwood Road, Kew in the 1911 census

Father - Thomas Gilbert Court born 1842 Maidstone
Mother -
Son - Albert Edward Court born 1874 Norwood
Thomas & Albert are living at 30 Rayleigh Road, Kensington in 1911 census

We are trying to trace Seymour family members whose ancestors are:
Ellen Seymour
Ellen was a witness to Albert Edward Court & Ruby Court's (Ruth Jezard & Ruth Thrasher) marriage in 1900 in Fulham

We are trying to trace Kingsley family members whose ancestors are:
Albert Kingsley
Albert was a witness to Albert Edward Court & Ruby Court (Ruth Jezard & Ruth Thrasher) marriage in 1900 in Fulham

We are trying to trace Brooks family members whose ancestors are:
Arthur Brooks
Arthur was a witness to Albert Edward Court & Ruby Court (Ruth Jezard & Ruth Thrasher) marriage in 1900 in Fulham
The Uhthoff family are staying with Jezards & Threshers at 133 Finborough Road & Annie Louisa Uhthoff's maiden name is Brookes

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 2 Nov 2012 20:28

Elaine, please remove your email and phone number.

It's impossible for us to follow so much info in one post and also spread over two threads:
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1313542

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 2 Nov 2012 20:38

Lorraine, there are countless warnings against giving personal info on the web such as contact details. I suggest you remove them quickly.

People who see these posts will contact you through GR Messages. GR will also let you know there are messages for you.

Ozi

Rambling Rose

Rambling Rose Report 2 Nov 2012 20:51

also on FLR,

Ivy

Ivy Report 2 Nov 2012 20:53

I've used the "report" function under the heading "data protection" - not sure if this was right, but it seemed a way to suppress it quickly.

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 2 Nov 2012 20:54

Have sent a pm to the poster

Ivy

Ivy Report 2 Nov 2012 20:57

I have now as well.

jax

jax Report 2 Nov 2012 21:48

I cannot understand why these threads had to be reported before the poster was contacted by pm

After all its her email and phone number, not someone elses...seen much worse on the GR facebook page

patchem

patchem Report 2 Nov 2012 22:15

I agree with jax that it is better to pm the poster directly, as they have chosen to publicise their own addresses.
However, some posters do not read their emails for days.
It is against the site's terms and conditions, but surely that is up to genes to censure, not us?
However, thanks to Ivy for acknowledging what she has done, even if I personally think she did not need to.

Rambling Rose

Rambling Rose Report 2 Nov 2012 22:27

I would hope, if I was naive enough to put my full home address on an open site like this, that someone would have the sense to get it removed asap for my 'own good' , assuming I did not stick around to do it myself when prompted .

jax

jax Report 2 Nov 2012 22:27

GR can edit out the email address's and phone numbers....but after I asked them to do this after the poster read and ignored my pm (I gave him 48 hours after opening the message)...they removed the post, so it depends who is working tomorrow or even monday as to whether the thread will be reinstated or not

Ivy

Ivy Report 2 Nov 2012 23:04

Hi I've had a pm from Lorraine, saying that she cannot see how to edit her reported post.

Jax, is it the case that Lorraine's post will be unavailable to her now until a GR staff member looks at this?

Should I email GR directly and would that speed up the process, or are the boards unmanned all over the weekend?

jax

jax Report 2 Nov 2012 23:07

Once reported nothing can be done until GR decides whether it stays or goes

Staff members maybe around tomorrow as I have known of posts being removed on a saturday morning/afternoon

Ivy

Ivy Report 2 Nov 2012 23:12

OK thanks, will pm Lorraine.

I did point out in the report email that it was only the final paragraph of the post that had the contact details, so I hope that the staff will reinstate - either as edited, or to be edited by Lorraine?

Ivy

Ivy Report 3 Nov 2012 10:15

Oh - I see that it has been reinstated but without removal of the contact details... I wonder if Lorraine is around to edit it out?

Ivy

Ivy Report 3 Nov 2012 11:44

It looks like the contact details have been taken out now.

Ivy

Ivy Report 3 Nov 2012 11:46

... so I am just adding some possible details for Gertrude Engelhardt:

Gertrude Helen Irene Barnes m Frederick Henry Charles Engelhardt in 1864 (4th q). The marriage took place in the Hastings registration district (Sussex).

They are seen together on the 1871 census in Clapham, Surrey.
They have two small children, several servants.
Gertrude’s age is given as 29, born Cheltenham (i.e. b approx 1842)

They are in Putney in 1881, initials only given, although “Gary Bowtell” has added a note on Ancestry giving the couple’s full names.

She may perhaps be identified with Irene G H Barnes, daughter of Joseph and Sarah Barnes, seen on the 1851 census living in Westminster. Joseph Barnes’ occupation is clerk to the solicitor general.

Joseph Barnes Head abt 1802 Mickleton, Gloucestershire, England
Sarah H Barnes Wife abt 1801 Shepton Mallet, Somerset, England

Children of Joseph and Sarah H Barnes:
Conglantine A Bell abt 1835 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter
Frederick S E Bell abt 1838 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Son
Irene G H Bell abt 1841 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter
(NB the Bell is a mistranscription on Ancestry of “Do”, for ditto)

Ivy

Ivy Report 3 Nov 2012 11:48

1871 census:

Name: Gertrude H Engelhardt
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Frederick Engelhardt
Gender: Female
Where born: Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish: Clapham
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Clapham
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: Clapham
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Household schedule number: 30
Piece: 698
Folio: 6
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick Engelhardt 30
Gertrude H Engelhardt 29
Francis A Engelhardt 4
Infant Engelhardt 1 Month
Elizabeth Spearing 53
Emily Bingle 26
Hannah Binns 30
Fanny Knapp 28
Harriet Geer 19

Ivy

Ivy Report 3 Nov 2012 11:50

1881 census:

Name: G.H.J. Engelhardt
[Gertrude.Helen Irene Engelhardt] <<< as submitted by Gary Bowtell on Ancestry - perhaps worth contacting Gary?
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: J.H.C. Engelhardt
Gender: Female
Where born: Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England

Civil parish: Putney
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: Hazeldean Putney H
Condition as to marriage: Married

Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: Putney
ED, institution, or vessel: 11a

Piece: 663
Folio: 52
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
J.H.C. Engelhardt 40
G.H.J. Engelhardt 37
Mabel B. Engelhardt 10
Ethel Engelhardt 7
Marguerite Engelhardt 4
Walter Engelhardt 3
Charles Nealtuesen 62
Alicia 50
Chr. Spould 45
U. Forthe 42
Ada Welch 18
H. Watts 26
F. Preston 26
S. Lilley 23

Lorraine Karen

Lorraine Karen Report 3 Nov 2012 14:11

Sorry GR and thank you everyone - contact details removed
Lorraine