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John Muir born 5 or 7 July 1897 place of birth

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Mary

Mary Report 3 Nov 2012 14:11

I am trying to find out a bit more about John Muir who married Louisa Hislop on 21 February 1924 in Birmingham. I believe John Muir was born in Ayrshire possibly worked in the Birmingham area for a while then moved back to Ayrshire.

He had a daughter called Louisa Muir born 5 July 1923 and she was born in Birmingham. They then had four other children called Barbara, Teeny, John and Mary but I think John (dob 7 November 1932) and Mary (dob 11 August 1937) were born in Beith, 10 Mains Avenue.

Thank you

Mary

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 3 Nov 2012 14:22

Who does he name as his father on the marriage cert and his occupation

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 3 Nov 2012 14:45

Barbara seems to have been born in Birmingham in 1926 but I can't find a birth for the middle child (Teeny) so perhaps they went back to Scotland sometime after 1926.

Kath. x

tempest

tempest Report 3 Nov 2012 14:55

Teeny appears to have been born in 1929 in Stourbridge, Worcestershire

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 3 Nov 2012 15:04

Where is BEITH ?? if thats Scotland then you need Scotlands People for further research on his family.

Teeny's birth only shows on the records for England/Wales

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 3 Nov 2012 15:11

Teeny married in 1962

you have to order the cert through Scotlands People

1962 SAUNDERS JAMES MUIR TEENY AYR /AYR 578/00 0160 No Image

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 3 Nov 2012 15:18

??

1974 MALCOLM JAMES HUNTER MUIR MARY BARBARA AYR /SOUTH AYRSHIRE 680/00 0106

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 3 Nov 2012 15:21

Birth

1937 MUIR MARY F BEITH (AYR) /AYR 581/00 0064



dont want to look or post further as these people most probably still alive.

You need to look at Scotlands People

Mary

Mary Report 3 Nov 2012 15:39

Thank you all

Beith is in Ayrshire, Scotland

John Muir's father from the wedding certificate is listed as: Father's name John Muir and he was a coal contractor.

I think the 1974 reference to Barbara is wrong. I think Barbara died as a baby but not sure when.

Fahse, don't worry about future info on Mary 1937 as this is actually me!!

1962 SAUNDERS JAMES MUIR TEENY AYR /AYR 578/00 0160 No Image - thisis definitely right as this is my sister.

I am really keen to find out place of birth for my father as nobody is left in the family who can help ie John Muir born 5 or 7 July 1987.Just tried to pay for credits and was kicked out :-(

Mary

tempest

tempest Report 3 Nov 2012 15:49

Hi Mary,

a possibility for Barbara's death

Death record transcript
Civil registration event: Death

Name: MUIR, Barbara
Registration district: Stourbridge
County: Worcestershire
Year of registration: 1928
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death:2
Volume no: 6C
Page no: 35

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 3 Nov 2012 15:50

who does he name as his dad on the marriage cert to Louisa.

How do you know his actual birthdate?

Wonder on this one??
1896 MUIR JOHN M BEITH (AYR) /AYR 581/00 0144

Malcolm

Malcolm Report 3 Nov 2012 15:50

Scotlands people credits can be paid with most credit cards. They will usually ask for the security (3 figure) code on the back of the card.

Sometimes the site times out if you haven't been active for several minutes and if you try to "backpage" it can also appear to "kick you out." Just log in again.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 3 Nov 2012 15:53

Name: Barbara Muir
Mother's Maiden Surname: Hislop
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1926
Registration district: Birmingham N
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume Number: 6d
Page Number: 698

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 3 Nov 2012 15:54

1901 if this one then a problem as not with parents

Name: John Muir
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relationship: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Beith, Ayrshire
Registration number: 581
Registration district: Beith
Civil parish: Beith
Town: Beith
County: Ayrshire
Address: Newton
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 44
Line: 22
Roll: CSSCT1901_220
Household Members: Name Age
Barbara Muir 54
Robert Muir 17
John Muir 4
William Kerr 64

Barbara is married to a John Muir but they do not appear to have a son called John

Thinks it rules this out out at the moment

Malcolm

Malcolm Report 3 Nov 2012 16:00

Note that there i also a BEATH in Fife, Scotland. Mining country as well.

Mary

Mary Report 3 Nov 2012 16:27

John Muir born 1897
His father is listed as John Muir on the wedding certificate he was deceased at the time and he was a Coal contractor.

Glitter Baby - I think you are right this doesn't fit in.

Thanks to you all - I am always astonished at the amount of help you offer.

Mary

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 3 Nov 2012 16:44

Am really wondering about this one /took a look at the actual cert cos I,m intrigued


posted above !!

Wonder on this one??
1896 MUIR JOHN M BEITH (AYR) /AYR 581/00 0144

he was born 7th July 1896 Wilson Street Beith illegitimate, mother reg his birth Annie Harrock Muir of Wilson Street a silk weaver

GlasgowLass

GlasgowLass Report 3 Nov 2012 20:40

I think Shirley has possibly located the correct birth record
The mother of John Muir b 1896 in Beith was Annie STIRRAT Muir.
The 1901 census posted by glitterbaby is the child with his grandmother.

I think John was raised by his grandmother, and hois own daughter named Barbara will be named for her.

1881 Scotland Census about John Muir
Name: John Muir
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Barbara Muir
Gender: Male
Where born: Beith, Ayrshire
Registration number: 581
Registration district: Beith
Civil parish: Beith
Town: Beith
County: Ayrshire
Address: Newton
Occupation: General Labourer
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 51
Line: 19
Roll: cssct1881_180
Household Members:
Name Age
John Muir 35
Barbara Muir 34
Robert Muir 15
Annie Muir 13
Maggie Muir 11
Mary Muir 9
Janet Muir 4
Barbara Muir 2


1891 Scotland Census about Barbara Muir
Name: Barbara Muir
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration number: 581
Registration district: Beith
Civil parish: Beith
Town: Beith
County: Ayrshire
Address: 50 Wilson St *** same address as 1896 birth cert
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 115
Line: 18
Roll: CSSCT1891_200
Household Members:
Name Age
Barbara Muir 45
Maggie Muir 21
Mary Muir 18
Robert Muir 7
Letitia J Leighton 40

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 3 Nov 2012 21:26

ahh Annie Stirratt the writing is hard to read . i enhanced it but it made it worse so deciphered it as it looked

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 3 Nov 2012 21:27

I saved the image seeing as it was paid for/ If you PM me with your email I will send it to you