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MACDERMIDS on Scottish censuses

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Alisoun

Alisoun Report 1 Oct 2013 00:36

my grandmother Mary(Polly)Blaine Stevenson always said she was a distant cousin of grandad Macdermid but i haven't worked out the connection yet ; via great grandma Kyle i think .
2 of grandma's sisters also married their cousins Stevenson + Mcfarlane names
These names crop up when I'm looking at the wrong Macdermids ....so i'm guessing this was very common in close knit communities .

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 23 Jul 2013 08:03

There are several macdermids/mcdermids from Cumbuslang on family trees but noone seems to have more than 1 of my ancestors names and birth date ;i usually contact people who have more than 1 faamily member listed as it avoids mixing with distant cousins of same names but will try a few .

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 24 Jun 2013 08:29

Thanks Malcom ,my father was quite insistant on using the Mac and the capital D but as he didn't live in Scotland most of his life he may not have known the Irish/scottish convention . Not much likelihood of any of us getting to edinburgh in the near future
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Argyllgran so nice of you to post the 1911 details we hadn't got them as had been more involved withtracing maternal relatives .

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 23 Jun 2013 15:41

Alisoun -
did you ever get the 1911 census, as requested in your OP?

I can't cut & paste it, as Scotlands People only shows the image, but the details are:

Address: 92 River Rd, Kenmuir, Old Monkland.
Jeani McDermid, 47, Head, widow
Agnes, 25, Daughter, single - Bonded Warehouse
Jeanie, 22, daughter, single - Bleaching & Finishing Wks
Andrew, 19, son, single - cloth lapper at bleaching & finishing wks
Malcolm, 17, son, single - boot repairer, shop
Walter, 14, son - apprentice, grocer shop
James, 9, son - school
Thomas, 7, son - school
Christine, 3, daughter
John, 7 months, son

Malcolm

Malcolm Report 23 Jun 2013 14:21

Alisoun, if you have the chance, visit the Scotlands People centre in Edinburgh. For 15 pounds You can use their search rooms and computers from 9 a.m. to 4.30 pm weekdays. You can also have a free "taster session" ..a couple of hours with experts to assist you. This is a good way to learn the system.

Regarding spelling variations, obviously these are worse the further back you go but usually by the 20th century there is consistency. Errors in the statutory (post 1855) period are usually caused by census enumerators in the presence of illiterate citizens.

As a general rule a Mac name is of Irish origin and a Mc is Scottish.

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 22 Jun 2013 19:38

So far I have these spellings in records .MacDermid, McDermid, McDearmid.Mcdiarmid the d at the end is pretty consistant tho

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 6 Dec 2012 13:51

My mistake , Malcom MacDermid b1862+wife Jean b1864 were probably not alive in 1960 the photos we have of great grandparents were the Stevensons my grandmother's parents . Also my aunt beleives that her father was lookedafter byanelder sister at some point before 1917 because hismother jean had already died .

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 6 Dec 2012 13:51

My mistake , Malcom MacDermid b1862+wife Jean b1864 were probably not alive in 1960 the photos we have of great grandparents were the Stevensons my grandmother's parents . Also my aunt beleives that her father was lookedafter byanelder sister at some point before 1917 because hismother jean had already died .

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 29 Nov 2012 09:34

thanks for that advice ; I'm taking it so slow now that i'm watching my cousins beard grow for charity on a you tube site . my punctuation + typing abillties have returned just in time for me to start back at work today . may have to leave the Macdermids for a while , Brigid (alias Alisoun )

Malcolm

Malcolm Report 6 Nov 2012 08:21

The "naming system" is a clue, not a hard and fast rule so take care. I've often found names which didn't add up but eventually they turn out to be named after, for example, a recently deceased child of a brother or sister, and even simply a respected public figure.

Also, your middle name would be Stevenson not Stephenson according to your OP. Good luck and take it slowly! :-)

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 6 Nov 2012 08:04

hang on I need time to check all that it's very confusing when the names all reappear in all the generations and my Grandads brothers had a25 year age gap between youngest and oldest
Grandad's brothe Walterwas born circa 1897 so would have been 19 in the ww

the older walter married to margeret with kids must have been Gdads uncle , the same names of the first born children keep cropping up for obvious reasons and I expect spouses called agnes and margeret were common.
luckily the naming system shows me that this walter is definitely
ggdad malcoms brother, so their 1st sons would have 2nd names but 1st daughter and 3rd daughters name come from thier maternal side we dont have an Isabella or elizabeth in our sibling list
.For fun my sister and I worked out what we'd be called if we'd carried on this tradition .2nd daughter I'd be Mary (stephenso )macdermid

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 5 Nov 2012 20:18

Malcolm's brother John with his wife and his parents in 1901.

Name: John Mcdermid
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relationship: Son
Spouse's name : Isabella Mcdermid
Father's Name: Duncan Mcdermid
Mother's name: Agnes Mcdermid
Gender: Male
Where born: Old Monkland, Lanarkshire
Registration number: 652/1
Registration district: Old Monkland Western District
Civil parish: Old Monkland Western District
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Clyde Banks Clyde House
Occupation: Railway Platelayer
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 137
Line: 24
Roll: CSSCT1901_345
Household Members: Name Age
Duncan Mcdermid 73
Agnes Mcdermid 75
John Mcdermid 37
Isabella Mcdermid 34
Elizabeth Mcdermid 9
Agnes Mcdermid 7
Isabella Mcdermid 9 Mo

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 5 Nov 2012 20:13

Malcolm's brother Walter with his wife and family.

1891

Name: Walter McDermid
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Margaret McDermid
Gender: Male
Where born: Pollockstons, Renfrewshire should read Pollokshaws
Registration number: 652/1
Registration district: Old Monkland Western District
Civil parish: Old Monkland Western District
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 8 Clyde Street
Occupation: Agricultural Labourer
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 27
Line: 19
Roll: CSSCT1891_317
Household Members: Name Age
Walter McDermid 34
Margaret McDermid 35 b. Cambuslang, Lanarkshire
Duncan McDermid 12
Agnes McDermid 5
Mary McDermid 3
John McDermid 6 Mo

1901

Name: Walter Mcdermid
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relationship: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: pottoold, Renfrewshire
Registration number: 652/1
Registration district: Old Monkland Western District
Civil parish: Old Monkland Western District
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Clyde View
Occupation: Pit Sinker
ED: 3A
Household schedule number: 222
Line: 8
Roll: CSSCT1901_345
Household Members: Name Age
Walter Mcdermid 44

And his wife and children in 1901

Name: Margaret Mcdermid
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Cambuslang, Lanarkshire
Registration number: 627
Registration district: Cambuslang
Civil parish: Cambuslang
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Youngsland
Occupation: Cotton Weaver
ED: 5
Household schedule number: 76
Line: 22
Roll: CSSCT1901_252
Household Members: Name Age
Margaret Mcdermid 44
Agnes Mcdermid 15
Mary Mcdermid 13
John Mcdermid 10

Son Duncan married by 1901

Name: Duncan Mcdermed
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Annie Mcdermed
Gender: Male
Where born: Cambuslang, Lanarkshire
Registration number: 627
Registration district: Cambuslang
Civil parish: Cambuslang
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 2 Clifton Ter
Occupation: Coal Miner
ED: 15
Household schedule number: 59
Line: 23
Roll: CSSCT1901_253
Household Members: Name Age
Duncan Mcdermed 22
Annie Mcdermed 22

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 5 Nov 2012 14:21

All the details for Walter are right until son of the lATEmr +mrs macdermid ;

My sister + I were just talking about the naming system .so I can pass that on to her .**yes this is correct his parents had died earlier one of my grandfather,s elder sisters had a large part in his upbringing before he ran away to sea

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 5 Nov 2012 10:51

Something not matching here if this is your Walter that died in WW1?

MacDERMID, WALTER
Rank:Private
Service No:40841
Date of Death:13/11/1916
Age:19
Regiment/Service:Royal Scots Fusiliers
1st Bn. formerly 9th Bn. Royal Scots
Panel Reference Pier and Face 3 C.
Memorial THIEPVAL MEMORIAL
Additional Information:
Son of the late (<<<<<<)Mr. and Mrs. Malcolm MacDermid.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 5 Nov 2012 10:39

Scottish Naming pattern (often used by the Irish too - well in my family anyway!)

First son named for paternal grandfather
Second son named for maternal grandfather (sometimes with his surname as a middle name)
Third son named for father
First daughter named for maternal grandmother (sometimes with either her married or maiden surname as a middle name)
Second daughter named for paternal grandmother (sometimes with either her married or maiden surname as a middle name)
Third daughter named for mother (sometimes with maiden surname as a middle name)

From memory, when I was searching last night, I think that Andrew R. Kyle had been married twice. I think that David Kyle had a different mother. Andrew's death registration may confirm that.

name: David Kyle
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 12 Dec 1852
baptism/christening place: , RUTHERGLEN, LANARK, SCOTLAND
birth date: 07 Nov 1852
father's name: Andrew Ramsay Kyle
mother's name: Agnes Glenn
indexing project (batch) number: C11654-4
system origin: Scotland-VR
source film number: 1066604

groom's name: Andrew Ramsay Kyle
bride's name: Agnes Glen
marriage date: 21 Nov 1851
marriage place: Cambuslang,Lanark,Scotland
indexing project (batch) number: M11627-4
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 1042966, 1042967


groom's name: Andrew Kyle
bride's name: Christina Fleming
marriage date: 15 Aug 1856
marriage place: Cambuslang,Lanark,Scotland
indexing project (batch) number: M11627-1
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516


1841 - Andrew's first wife with her family.

Name: Agnes Glenn
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Gender: Female
Where born: Lanarkshire, Scotland

Civil parish: Cambuslang
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Silver Banks
Parish Number: 627
Household Members: Name Age
John Glenn 40
Margret Glenn 40
Charles Glenn 15
Margret Glenn 15
Christina Glenn 14
Agnes Glenn 11
James Glenn 9
Archabald Glenn 2
Elizabeth Glenn 2 Months

1851

Name: Agness Glen
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relationship: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Cambuslang, Lanarkshire
Parish Number: 627
Civil parish: Cambuslang
Town: Silverbank
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Silverbank
Occupation: Seamstress
ED: 1
Page: 7 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 20
Line: 19
Roll: CSSCT1851_150
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Edmiston 50
John Edwinston 13
Jessie Edwinston 17
Christina Glen 24
Agness Glen 22
Mary Liddel 3

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 5 Nov 2012 07:52

a cloth lapper weaves yarn
The names are interesting because I see that our g gparents gave first names of both their dads to 2 sons and the maiden name of maternal grandmother to daughter Jeannie
i remember my grandmother explaining a complicated system of 1st daughter's having maternal grandmothers name but don't remember what middle names were given to 2nd + 3rd daughters.
If grandads siblings carried on these traditions some of my dad's cousins will have the same names .somethinng to look out for in p0st 1901 births and marriages to help distinguish the dozens of mac/Mcdermids from cumbuslang on the family trees .
I'll use credits to trace war records ,passenger lists and maybe deaths to see if I can find what happened to my grandads siblings ; I must say they seem a fertile and hardy bunch ....no sign of infant deaths as names reappear in consecutive censuses

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 4 Nov 2012 21:33

thanks for that extra info rootgatherer

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 4 Nov 2012 21:03

Alisoun,

It is worth noting that Scottish Statutory registration didn't begin until 1855.

Scottish certificates give more information than English ones. For example a birth after 1860 will give the date and place of the parents marriage. Marriage certificates give the names of both parents including the mother's maiden surname. Death certificates will name all spouse and the names of the deceased parents, including the mother's maiden surname if the informant knows the details.

Scotlandspeople is fairly cheap to use £7 for 30 credits, 1 credit to view search results and 5 to view / download the register entry or census image.

Births less than 100 years ago, marriages 75 and deaths in the last 50 years cannot be viewed online, you have to order certificates for these.


Alisoun

Alisoun Report 4 Nov 2012 20:29

oh Goodness thanks so much for this I wasn't expecting it .Now I'm going to look at a map to see where they lived and find out what a cloth lapper does .hopefully I can find some living cousins worldwide for my aunt ,in her 80's now that I have birth dates for Her aunts and uncles and spelling variants . My father always insisted it was spelt MacDermid which does seem to prevail as the family became more literate I suppose .
can't thank you enough