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MACDERMIDS on Scottish censuses

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brigid

brigid Report 3 Aug 2014 08:57

Surprise mail from my aunt ..I thought her eyesight prevented email use;
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oops thought I'd copied her own words ; Chrissie is the only sibling she remembers her coming from USA 'when aged about 5 and my father eric about 2

My aunt Mary tells the story of they couldn't take up Chrissie's offer for the children to go to USA to safety during WW2 but as their dad was away at sea they didn't have parental permission ,mary was v.disappointed not to go ...until they learnt that was the ship with so many child passsengers that was bombed + sank !

brigid

brigid Report 1 Aug 2014 22:25

hat's very interesting . .if jeannie met james Duff Black in lanarkshire in her late teens early 20.s it's likely that she followed him; would a young woman have travelled so far alone ? it was only 2 years after her father' death . But he went to australia before NZ could they have been on same boat + married in Austarlia or on board (would that count as British territory

does that sound like wild speculation ? my hunches have proved right before Am taking a break from the MacD research for a while but will keep checking in ;+ adding to my page 5 summaries when new info comes in . Thanks B

brigid

brigid Report 31 Jul 2014 23:47

That looks like the right James D black (RG and AG well done )so he should be in scotland in 1911 census

I feel guilty that i'm sitting back + letting you do all the hard work but I am also trying to keep aunt informed via my cousin + am gleaning info from 2, 2nd cousins via email ..hoping to sort out the right Agnes Mcfarlane .

I'm just popping in to check on emails facebook + this site when I can .

My paper notes are all really scruffy so I need to put them in order + transfer details on here onve i've confirmed facts .

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 31 Jul 2014 20:45

1901

Name: James D Black
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1893
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Wm Black
Mother's name: Black
Gender: Male
Where born: Shotts, Lanark
Registration Number: 655/3
Registration district: Shotts Western District
Civil Parish: Shotts
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Bellside Bds
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 80
LINE: 12
Roll: CSSCT1901_352
Household Members:
Name Age
Wm Black 48 Coal Miner
Mrs. Black 44 b. Ireland
Samuel Black 11 Coal Miner
Wm Black 15 Coal Miner
John Black 13 Coal Miner
Agnes Black 11
James D Black 8
Mary Black 5
Robt Black 2

All children born Shotts

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 31 Jul 2014 20:00

Maybe???


UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
about James Black
Name:
James Black
Gender: Male
Age: 19
Birth Date: abt 1893
Departure Date: 22 Nov 1912
Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland
Destination Port: Sydney, Australia
Ship Name: Wandilla
Shipping line: Adelaide Steamship Company
Master: James Sim


He's a grocer

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 31 Jul 2014 19:35

yes it is .we missed him off our paper transcription ..sorry .
thanks for your continued patience Root gatherer

ps our Mcfarlane scrol was given to my father in 1998 the writer ( grandma macdermid's nephew ) gave a copy to all those who'd helped add details it's for the Stevenson side of family....isn't that lovely ?
It spreads all across the living room floor

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 31 Jul 2014 19:35

James Duff Black's birth:

1893 BLACK JAMES DUFF M BOTHWELL /LANARK 625/01 0305

I still don't see his marriage to Jean in Scotland. As has already been suggested, perhaps they married in NZ.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 31 Jul 2014 19:24

Is this not Malcolm with his parents and siblings in 1901?


Name: Malcolm Mcdermid
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1894
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Malcolm Mcdermid
Mother's name: Jeanie Mcdermid
Gender: Male
Where born: Old Monkland, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 652/1
Registration district: Old Monkland Western District
Civil Parish: Old Monkland Western District
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 4, Burn Butts
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 131
LINE: 18
Roll: CSSCT1901_345
Household Members:
Name Age
Malcolm Mcdermid 39
Jeanie Mcdermid 37
Duncan Mcdermid 18
Agnes Mcdermid 15
Jeanie Mcdermid 12
Andrew Mcdermid 9
Malcolm Mcdermid 7
Walter Mcdermid 4

brigid

brigid Report 31 Jul 2014 19:11

No.9 Christine
b9/07/1907- d18/07/1992
aged 3 in 1911 census
emigrated 1923 with siblings
aged 15 umbrella maker .next of kin listed as mrs Macdermid

M. John H Kelly
Census 1930 with John H Kelley + baby Mailyn in Union city Hudson new jersey
census 1940 spelt Kelly now in Hoboken,Hudson
John aged 35, Christina aged 33 mailyn aged 10 John aged 8
she came back to GB around 1930 (to visit relatives )


No 10 John b 12/08/1910
aged 7 months on 1911 census father dceased

emigrated to USA aged 19 1929 last address with brother Andrew 30 deans Av,cambuslang going to brother James macdermid 3017church av brooklyn New York
died 4th jan 1982 age 71
naturalised 1939 new york

brigid

brigid Report 31 Jul 2014 18:59

No.6. Walter b1897 apprentice grocer in 1911
died in thiepval WW1 13/11/1916 aged 19

No 7 james (kyle)Macdermid .b 15/02/1902
schoolboy aged 9 1911
emigrated in 1923 with siblings :single. tin maker

m .sarah Ross b10/05/1907-16/05/2002 in USA
naturalised 25/04/1928


d july 1982 aged 80 Florida
Children ; jean Rose macdermid +
james kyle macdermid
Us veteran
1950-1954 not sure if this is james K junior or senior


brigid

brigid Report 31 Jul 2014 18:46

no 5 malcolm ;b1894
not with family in 1901 aged 7 ?
1911 aged 17 boot repairer
WW1 1914-1920 regiment LD RE T

no further info ....

brigid

brigid Report 31 Jul 2014 18:43

Part 2

Sibling No.3 jeannie b1889 1911 bleaching
married james Duff Black ;surface worker ,mill hand (date +place?)
emigrated to New Zealand
with him in 1928 1935 1957 electoral rolls NZ

daughter jean Kyle macdermid Black spinster on 1946 electoral rolls
possibly 2 other children .
EDIT ADDED 1/08/2014 ; info from a McDiarmid member on GR "I have her as daughter of Archibald and Sarah Andrews ...... I do have her as from Cambuslang with siblings George, Sarah, Mary Stewart and Andrew."


No.4 Andrew kyle macdermid b.28/8/1891 old monkland
1911 cloth lapper aged 19
m.1920 in Cambuslang Elizabeth McDiarmid
next of kin when brother John went to USA in 1929
lived at 30 deans/dearns road .there at his death in 1964 east kilbride

brigid

brigid Report 31 Jul 2014 18:23

Summary so far Part 1 children of Duncan + agnes McDermid
;+ varient spellings

1)Duncan McDermid born 1882
1901 was grocer's clerk . died 1910

2)Agnes /Annie b1885 bleachfield worker aged 15 1901, 1911 sg aged 25 still bonded warehouse
m. (date ? ) James Robertson b1892

1923 emigrated to USA aged 37 with husband James aged 31 and son James aged 3 (could james ,6 yrs younger than Agnes, have been a widower with james junior when married Agnes)

They travelled on boat with siblings No 7 James (tin worker)+ No. 9 Christina aged 15 (umbrella -maker .)
To stay with John mcFarlane (Uncle or Cousin ?) in New york

Agnes with Husband+ son in USA1930 but not in 1940 census (deceased ?)

Grandfather Tommy was no 7 ; in navy aged 1920 aged 17

brigid

brigid Report 31 Jul 2014 17:27

original Info on notes of siblings came from my uncles research + paternal grandmas memories re her husbands siblings ; she thought Duncan + Malcom had 2 children , in lanarkshire .and Jeannie Black having 3 children in New Zealand ; She had mentionned a Mailyn and now we know that was Chrissie's daughter . As Chrissie 's visit came to GB is one of my aunt's earliest memoriesin could she have come in 1929 not in the 30's before my dad was born + before mailyn was born .... with a present for the future baby + a doll for his 4 yr old sister .

brigid

brigid Report 31 Jul 2014 17:16

UpDate ; Andrew Kyle Macdermid
died 8th oct 1964 in East kilbride at 30 ? 80 ? Dearns av
death confirmed by Elisabeth McDiarmid or Macdermid
he left a will

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 31 Jul 2014 13:30

. Thanks again for all your hard work
this is not any of the Johns on our scroll ; we have a joiner b1846 in tollcross father of john dougas macfarlane b1905 tanninglabourer
father of the John douglasmacf who gave us the scroll ..but they are related to our maternal stevenson gg.parents and are not sons ofa walter + margaret

we need to cross refernece with more details from the John mcF in USA

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 31 Jul 2014 13:02

These are the only births of children of Walter McFarlane and Margaret Machan showing on SP. I wouldn't put too much faith in all the ages given in 1841, Brigid.
John's, at least, is a few years out - unless the birth record is for an earlier John who maybe died in infancy.

7/05/1835 MCFARLANE CHRISTIAN WALTER MCFARLANE/MARGARET MACHAN FR156 (FR156) F MEARNS /RENFREW 571/00 0020 0051

28/10/1827 MCFARLANE JOHN WALTER MCFARLANE/MARGARET MACHAN FR156 (FR156) M MEARNS /RENFREW 571/00 0020 0051

3/02/1839 MCFARLANE MARY WALTER MCFARLANE/MARGARET MACHAN FR163 (FR163) F MEARNS /RENFREW 571/00 0020 0064

brigid

brigid Report 31 Jul 2014 12:51

I need to go and check that McFarlane family scroll for those other names ; It will be nice to look at a paper tree instaed of my silly flickering computer screen .
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brigid

brigid Report 31 Jul 2014 12:45

if Agnes + Duncan married in 1850 she would have been living with her new new husbands family in 1951 census;
( it does fit in with my theoory that their 1st daughter could have been a Christine. They consistently follow traditional the naming patterns with their sons 2nd son andrew also has surname of maternal grandfather.
Agnes is paternal grandma's name + jean is mothers name consistant with a 2nd + 3rd daughter .
EDIT
ps fairly normal for a 20 yr old john mcfarlane not to be with his parents for all kinds of reasons .....we don't know if the USA host J.Mc F was married .

brigid

brigid Report 31 Jul 2014 12:37

Also like the possibility that Agnes maybe had a twin Martha
or just sibling born same year ?
will take your sensible advice re posting summary