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MACDERMIDS on Scottish censuses

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Alisoun

Alisoun Report 4 Nov 2012 04:08

How do i get on to the 1911 census for Scotland ?
I'd like to find the birth year of Grandad Mac' s siblings
He was born in Glasgow on 18/7/1903 father Malcom macdermid married Jean Kyle c1895 they had 10 children

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 4 Nov 2012 04:18

Jean must have lived into the 1960.s because we have a photo of 4 generations of Macdermid .they looked rather dour on their diamond wedding aniversary photo so malcomlived to 1955 at least too *SORRY that photo is father's maternal grandparents .malcom macdermid and jean Kyle Macdermid WERE bothdeceased before 1916
No dates for The children and they dispersed; names were, Andrew
Duncan
Annie/Agnes (married J Robertson and went to USA,)
malcom
jeannie (m. J Black went to new zealand, Walter killed in WW1)
James ,
Thomas Allen ( my grandad ,married Mary Blain Stevenson had daughter Mary and son Eric b1930 moved to Plymouth.was in navy
Christine (went to USA) ,John (USA0

Reggie

Reggie Report 4 Nov 2012 10:05

You have to buy credits for Scotlands people website to see 1911 Scottish census....and the birth registrations

There is no other source.

It is not a subscription site, so lookups by GR members are not an option

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 4 Nov 2012 10:48

Thanks Reggie can I do that from this site or is it another one ?

+++DetEcTive+++

+++DetEcTive+++ Report 4 Nov 2012 12:09

http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/

Although managed for the National Record Office of Scotland by GR's parent company, it is independent of GR with its own web address.

You can make free searches, but need to buy credits for the details.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 4 Nov 2012 20:11

This looks possible for the family in 1901.

Name: Malcolm Mcdermid
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Jeanie Mcdermid
Gender: Male
Where born: Old Monkland, Lanarkshire
Registration number: 652/1
Registration district: Old Monkland Western District
Civil parish: Old Monkland Western District
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 4, Burn Butts
Occupation: Cloth Lapper
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 131
Line: 12
Roll: CSSCT1901_345
Household Members: Name Age
Malcolm Mcdermid 39
Jeanie Mcdermid 37 b. Cambuslang, Lanarkshire
Duncan Mcdermid 18 Grocer's Clerk, b. Old Monkland, Lanarkshire
Agnes Mcdermid 15 Bleachfield Worker, b. Glasgow
Jeanie Mcdermid 12 b. Glasgow
Andrew Mcdermid 9 b. Old Monkland, Lanarkshire
Malcolm Mcdermid 7 b. Old Monkland, Lanarkshire
Walter Mcdermid 4 b. Old Monkland, Lanarkshire



Note the spelling of the surname so remember to select "surname variants" if you are searching on Scotlandspeople.

1891 -

Name: Malcolm McDermid
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Jeanie McDermid
Gender: Male
Where born: Old Monkland, Lanarkshire
Registration number: 652/1
Registration district: Old Monkland Western District
Civil parish: Old Monkland Western District
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Kenmuir St 4 Burn Butts
Occupation: Clothlapper
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 71
Line: 17
Roll: CSSCT1891_317
Household Members: Name Age
Malcolm McDermid 29
Jeanie McDermid 27
Duncan McDermid 8
Agnes McDermid 5
Jeanie McDermid 2

Your grandfather's birth registration (available to view / download from Scotlandspeople will give the date and place of his parents marriage.


name: Andrew Kyle Macdermid
gender: Male
birth date: 24 Aug 1891
birthplace: Old Monkland Western, Lanark, Scotland
father's name: Malcolm Macdermid
mother's name: Jeannie Kyle Macdermid
indexing project (batch) number: C01957-7
system origin: Scotland-EASy
source film number: 255148


Yet a different spelling of the surname in 1881.

Name: Malcom McDiarmid
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Duncan McDiarmid
Mother's name: Agnes McDiarmid
Gender: Male
Where born: Carmyle, Lanarkshire
Registration number: 652/1
Registration district: Old Monkland Western District
Civil parish: Old Monkland Western District
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Carmyle
Occupation: Cloth Lapper
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 42
Line: 7
Roll: cssct1881_265
Household Members: Name Age
Duncan McDiarmid 52 Cloth Dyer, b. Pollokshaws, Renfrewshire
Agnes McDiarmid 54 b. Pollokshaws, Renfrewshire
Malcom McDiarmid 19
John McDiarmid 17

1871

Name: Duncan Mcdearmid
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Agnes Mcdearmid
Gender: Male
Where born: Pollockshaws, Lanarkshire
Registration number: 652/1
Registration district: Old Monkland Western District
Civil parish: Old Monkland
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Carmyle
Occupation: Bleachworker
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 36
Line: 18
Roll: CSSCT1871_148
Household Members: Name Age
Duncan Mcdearmid 42
Agnes Mcdearmid 44
Walter Mcdearmid 14
Welcom Mcdearmid 9 <<<Mistranscription of Malcolm?
John Mcdearmid 7
Alexander Mcdearmid 5


1881

Name: Jeanie Kyle
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: Andw R Kyle
Gender: Female
Where born: Lanarksh, Cambuslang
Registration number: 652/1
Registration district: Old Monkland Western District
Civil parish: Old Monkland Western District
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Cairndl Side St.
Occupation: Dressmaker
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 44
Line: 7
Roll: cssct1881_265
Household Members: Name Age
Andw R Kyle 49 Spirit Merchant, b. Rutherglen, Lanarkshire
James Kyle 22
Janet Kyle 20
Jeanie Kyle 17
Christina Kyle 10
Andrew Kyle 5
Mary Kyle 5

???

1871

Name: Andrew Kyle
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Christina Kyle
Gender: Male
Where born: Rutherglen, Lanark
Registration number: 627
Registration district: Cambuslang
Civil parish: Cambuslang
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Silverbanks
Occupation: Coal Miner
ED: 1
Household schedule number: 51
Line: 20
Roll: CSSCT1871_119
Household Members: Name Age
Andrew Kyle 39
Christina Kyle 37
David Kyle 18
John Kyle 16
Elizabeth Kyle 14
James Kyle 12

name: Jane Kyle
gender: Female
birth date: 14 Jun 1863
birthplace: CAMBUSLANG,LANARK,SCOTLAND
father's name: Andrew Kyle
mother's name: Christina Fleming
indexing project (batch) number: C11627-1
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516

Births for most of Jane / Jeanie Kyle's siblings are on the Familysearch.org. Website.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 4 Nov 2012 20:12

Malcolm's brother's birth gives their mother's maiden surname

name: Walter Mcdermid
gender: Male
birth date: 11 Oct 1856
birthplace: EASTWOOD,RENFREW,SCOTLAND
father's name: Duncan Mcdermid
mother's name: Agnes Mcfarlane
indexing project (batch) number: C11562-1
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516

name: John Mcdermid
gender: Male
baptism/christening date:
baptism/christening place:
birth date: 16 Aug 1863
birthplace: OLD MONKLAND,LANARK,SCOTLAND
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Duncan Mcdermid
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Agnes Mcfarlane
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C11652-1
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516
reference number:


name: Duncan Mcdermid
gender: Male
baptism/christening date:
baptism/christening place:
birth date: 26 Apr 1859
birthplace: OLD MONKLAND,LANARK,SCOTLAND
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Duncan Mcdermid
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Agnes Mcfarlane
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C11652-1
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516
reference number:


name: Malcolm Mcdermid
gender: Male
baptism/christening date:
baptism/christening place:
birth date: 10 Jun 1861
birthplace: OLD MONKLAND,LANARK,SCOTLAND
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Duncan Mcdermid
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Agnes Farlane
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C11652-1
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516
reference number:


name: Alexander Macdermid
gender: Male
baptism/christening date:
baptism/christening place:
birth date: 09 Feb 1866
birthplace: OLD MONKLAND,LANARK,SCOTLAND
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Duncan Macdermid
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Agnes Mcfarlane
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C11652-1
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516
reference number:

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 4 Nov 2012 20:29

oh Goodness thanks so much for this I wasn't expecting it .Now I'm going to look at a map to see where they lived and find out what a cloth lapper does .hopefully I can find some living cousins worldwide for my aunt ,in her 80's now that I have birth dates for Her aunts and uncles and spelling variants . My father always insisted it was spelt MacDermid which does seem to prevail as the family became more literate I suppose .
can't thank you enough

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 4 Nov 2012 21:03

Alisoun,

It is worth noting that Scottish Statutory registration didn't begin until 1855.

Scottish certificates give more information than English ones. For example a birth after 1860 will give the date and place of the parents marriage. Marriage certificates give the names of both parents including the mother's maiden surname. Death certificates will name all spouse and the names of the deceased parents, including the mother's maiden surname if the informant knows the details.

Scotlandspeople is fairly cheap to use £7 for 30 credits, 1 credit to view search results and 5 to view / download the register entry or census image.

Births less than 100 years ago, marriages 75 and deaths in the last 50 years cannot be viewed online, you have to order certificates for these.


Alisoun

Alisoun Report 4 Nov 2012 21:33

thanks for that extra info rootgatherer

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 5 Nov 2012 07:52

a cloth lapper weaves yarn
The names are interesting because I see that our g gparents gave first names of both their dads to 2 sons and the maiden name of maternal grandmother to daughter Jeannie
i remember my grandmother explaining a complicated system of 1st daughter's having maternal grandmothers name but don't remember what middle names were given to 2nd + 3rd daughters.
If grandads siblings carried on these traditions some of my dad's cousins will have the same names .somethinng to look out for in p0st 1901 births and marriages to help distinguish the dozens of mac/Mcdermids from cumbuslang on the family trees .
I'll use credits to trace war records ,passenger lists and maybe deaths to see if I can find what happened to my grandads siblings ; I must say they seem a fertile and hardy bunch ....no sign of infant deaths as names reappear in consecutive censuses

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 5 Nov 2012 10:39

Scottish Naming pattern (often used by the Irish too - well in my family anyway!)

First son named for paternal grandfather
Second son named for maternal grandfather (sometimes with his surname as a middle name)
Third son named for father
First daughter named for maternal grandmother (sometimes with either her married or maiden surname as a middle name)
Second daughter named for paternal grandmother (sometimes with either her married or maiden surname as a middle name)
Third daughter named for mother (sometimes with maiden surname as a middle name)

From memory, when I was searching last night, I think that Andrew R. Kyle had been married twice. I think that David Kyle had a different mother. Andrew's death registration may confirm that.

name: David Kyle
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 12 Dec 1852
baptism/christening place: , RUTHERGLEN, LANARK, SCOTLAND
birth date: 07 Nov 1852
father's name: Andrew Ramsay Kyle
mother's name: Agnes Glenn
indexing project (batch) number: C11654-4
system origin: Scotland-VR
source film number: 1066604

groom's name: Andrew Ramsay Kyle
bride's name: Agnes Glen
marriage date: 21 Nov 1851
marriage place: Cambuslang,Lanark,Scotland
indexing project (batch) number: M11627-4
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 1042966, 1042967


groom's name: Andrew Kyle
bride's name: Christina Fleming
marriage date: 15 Aug 1856
marriage place: Cambuslang,Lanark,Scotland
indexing project (batch) number: M11627-1
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516


1841 - Andrew's first wife with her family.

Name: Agnes Glenn
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Gender: Female
Where born: Lanarkshire, Scotland

Civil parish: Cambuslang
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Silver Banks
Parish Number: 627
Household Members: Name Age
John Glenn 40
Margret Glenn 40
Charles Glenn 15
Margret Glenn 15
Christina Glenn 14
Agnes Glenn 11
James Glenn 9
Archabald Glenn 2
Elizabeth Glenn 2 Months

1851

Name: Agness Glen
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relationship: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Cambuslang, Lanarkshire
Parish Number: 627
Civil parish: Cambuslang
Town: Silverbank
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Silverbank
Occupation: Seamstress
ED: 1
Page: 7 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 20
Line: 19
Roll: CSSCT1851_150
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Edmiston 50
John Edwinston 13
Jessie Edwinston 17
Christina Glen 24
Agness Glen 22
Mary Liddel 3

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 5 Nov 2012 10:51

Something not matching here if this is your Walter that died in WW1?

MacDERMID, WALTER
Rank:Private
Service No:40841
Date of Death:13/11/1916
Age:19
Regiment/Service:Royal Scots Fusiliers
1st Bn. formerly 9th Bn. Royal Scots
Panel Reference Pier and Face 3 C.
Memorial THIEPVAL MEMORIAL
Additional Information:
Son of the late (<<<<<<)Mr. and Mrs. Malcolm MacDermid.

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 5 Nov 2012 14:21

All the details for Walter are right until son of the lATEmr +mrs macdermid ;

My sister + I were just talking about the naming system .so I can pass that on to her .**yes this is correct his parents had died earlier one of my grandfather,s elder sisters had a large part in his upbringing before he ran away to sea

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 5 Nov 2012 20:13

Malcolm's brother Walter with his wife and family.

1891

Name: Walter McDermid
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Margaret McDermid
Gender: Male
Where born: Pollockstons, Renfrewshire should read Pollokshaws
Registration number: 652/1
Registration district: Old Monkland Western District
Civil parish: Old Monkland Western District
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 8 Clyde Street
Occupation: Agricultural Labourer
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 27
Line: 19
Roll: CSSCT1891_317
Household Members: Name Age
Walter McDermid 34
Margaret McDermid 35 b. Cambuslang, Lanarkshire
Duncan McDermid 12
Agnes McDermid 5
Mary McDermid 3
John McDermid 6 Mo

1901

Name: Walter Mcdermid
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relationship: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: pottoold, Renfrewshire
Registration number: 652/1
Registration district: Old Monkland Western District
Civil parish: Old Monkland Western District
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Clyde View
Occupation: Pit Sinker
ED: 3A
Household schedule number: 222
Line: 8
Roll: CSSCT1901_345
Household Members: Name Age
Walter Mcdermid 44

And his wife and children in 1901

Name: Margaret Mcdermid
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Cambuslang, Lanarkshire
Registration number: 627
Registration district: Cambuslang
Civil parish: Cambuslang
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Youngsland
Occupation: Cotton Weaver
ED: 5
Household schedule number: 76
Line: 22
Roll: CSSCT1901_252
Household Members: Name Age
Margaret Mcdermid 44
Agnes Mcdermid 15
Mary Mcdermid 13
John Mcdermid 10

Son Duncan married by 1901

Name: Duncan Mcdermed
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Annie Mcdermed
Gender: Male
Where born: Cambuslang, Lanarkshire
Registration number: 627
Registration district: Cambuslang
Civil parish: Cambuslang
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 2 Clifton Ter
Occupation: Coal Miner
ED: 15
Household schedule number: 59
Line: 23
Roll: CSSCT1901_253
Household Members: Name Age
Duncan Mcdermed 22
Annie Mcdermed 22

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 5 Nov 2012 20:18

Malcolm's brother John with his wife and his parents in 1901.

Name: John Mcdermid
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relationship: Son
Spouse's name : Isabella Mcdermid
Father's Name: Duncan Mcdermid
Mother's name: Agnes Mcdermid
Gender: Male
Where born: Old Monkland, Lanarkshire
Registration number: 652/1
Registration district: Old Monkland Western District
Civil parish: Old Monkland Western District
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Clyde Banks Clyde House
Occupation: Railway Platelayer
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 137
Line: 24
Roll: CSSCT1901_345
Household Members: Name Age
Duncan Mcdermid 73
Agnes Mcdermid 75
John Mcdermid 37
Isabella Mcdermid 34
Elizabeth Mcdermid 9
Agnes Mcdermid 7
Isabella Mcdermid 9 Mo

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 6 Nov 2012 08:04

hang on I need time to check all that it's very confusing when the names all reappear in all the generations and my Grandads brothers had a25 year age gap between youngest and oldest
Grandad's brothe Walterwas born circa 1897 so would have been 19 in the ww

the older walter married to margeret with kids must have been Gdads uncle , the same names of the first born children keep cropping up for obvious reasons and I expect spouses called agnes and margeret were common.
luckily the naming system shows me that this walter is definitely
ggdad malcoms brother, so their 1st sons would have 2nd names but 1st daughter and 3rd daughters name come from thier maternal side we dont have an Isabella or elizabeth in our sibling list
.For fun my sister and I worked out what we'd be called if we'd carried on this tradition .2nd daughter I'd be Mary (stephenso )macdermid

Malcolm

Malcolm Report 6 Nov 2012 08:21

The "naming system" is a clue, not a hard and fast rule so take care. I've often found names which didn't add up but eventually they turn out to be named after, for example, a recently deceased child of a brother or sister, and even simply a respected public figure.

Also, your middle name would be Stevenson not Stephenson according to your OP. Good luck and take it slowly! :-)

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 29 Nov 2012 09:34

thanks for that advice ; I'm taking it so slow now that i'm watching my cousins beard grow for charity on a you tube site . my punctuation + typing abillties have returned just in time for me to start back at work today . may have to leave the Macdermids for a while , Brigid (alias Alisoun )

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 6 Dec 2012 13:51

My mistake , Malcom MacDermid b1862+wife Jean b1864 were probably not alive in 1960 the photos we have of great grandparents were the Stevensons my grandmother's parents . Also my aunt beleives that her father was lookedafter byanelder sister at some point before 1917 because hismother jean had already died .