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MarysRoots Report 8 Nov 2012 16:53

Help needed I have something wrong not sure what these are details I have
John Carter b abt 1777 Sedgley Staffordshire married 1797 to Ann Barber I have John's father as Thomas Carter married to Phebe ?
I also have 2 siblings for John, Allen Carter b 1771 and William b1780

I thought these where correct as John and Ann had a daughter Phebe b1807 which would fit with who I thought was John's mother,The problem arose when I sent for John's death cert
He died 1839 aged 63 in Sedgley but it has fathers name as Jacob Carter the thing is John and Ann also had a son Jacob b 1814 which again would fit with John's father on death cert
I cannot find a john Carter with father Jacob on any of the sites I've tried GR, Ancestry, FMP. FreeReg or family search so I am not sure now if I have wrong parents and siblings on my tree for John or maybe the wrong John Carter death cert

Mary :-)


Kay???? Report 8 Nov 2012 17:16

Hi Mary,

Am puzzled at the name of Johns father on his death certificate,unless he was the one to register th death?

Normally English ones dont have a fathers name,only on marriage and birth if applicable.

The sites you have looked at,are taken from parish church registeres,,,,,not all have survived though various means,,,,,,fire.water.theft.,lost or in just too fragile.state.


MarysRoots Report 8 Nov 2012 17:23

hello Kay,

Some of the cert's a little hard to read but under the date of death14th Feb 1839 it looks like (at the fathers) no address given then on informant it says mark of Jacob Carter in attendance the father ?



brummiejan Report 8 Nov 2012 17:26

Might this Jacob be his son - attending his father? Obviously not impossible, but if John was 63 his father would probably have been at least 85. I know some people lived to a good age, but not as commonly back then.

ADDED do you fancy PM'ing me the image of the cert? Might be interesting to see it.



MarysRoots Report 8 Nov 2012 20:00


Have you received PM??


Mary :-)


MarysRoots Report 9 Nov 2012 17:49



Dea Report 9 Nov 2012 18:16

Jan seems to be off-line at the moment - you can send it to me if you like ?

Will pm you my address.

Dea Xxx


brummiejan Report 9 Nov 2012 18:53

Back after my all-day sleep! Have you sorted this Dea? Mary has emailed me twice but I have a feeling I deleted the one with the attachment by mistake (put it down to night shift fuzzy brain).


Dea Report 9 Nov 2012 18:55

Haven't received anything yet - sorry Jan <3

Dea Xxx


MarysRoots Report 9 Nov 2012 19:02

Hello Jan & Dea

Have sent you both Cert Dea to your e-mail , Jan through GR both say sent so let me know if you do not receive and will try again


Mary :-D


brummiejan Report 9 Nov 2012 19:05

Have sent you my email address to as no attachment on GR message.
Jan :-)


MarysRoots Report 9 Nov 2012 19:15

Sent Jan

:-D :-D :-D


Dea Report 9 Nov 2012 19:16

Had a quick look but I really think that Jacob is not named as the 'Father'.

If you look at the other 'f's on the cert they do not match.

The first column says death took place at 'the ????' - Looks like father but isn't !

Column 7 says 'In attendance at 'the ?????' - this appears to be an address of some sort .

I will look again later but I would not worry about Jacob being the 'father' !!!

Dea Xxx


brummiejan Report 9 Nov 2012 19:18

Have had a look too, and was about to say the same - there doesn't seem to be a 'th' in the word, though it does end 'er' I think. I can see why you read it as father but I am not convinced.
There seems to be just one Jacob Carter in Dudley 1841, and I assume this is the son.
ADDED actually the last letter is 'e' probably? Lake???


MarysRoots Report 9 Nov 2012 19:28

Thank you both for looking I'm still not sure what it is Maybe it is some kind of Hospital but never heard of any Lake??? in this area I thought maybe the first letter could be S

I have not found another Jacob so maybe it is the son like you said I will carry on trying to decipher cert if you come up with any other ideas please let me know

Kind regards

Mary :-D <3


Dea Report 9 Nov 2012 19:29

I read it as the 'Lake' or 'Lakes' too Jan !!

Dea x


brummiejan Report 9 Nov 2012 19:36

Maybe he died when they were out fishing!!!
Seriously, my money would be on the informant being his son. Either way i do not think it says father.
jan :-D


Dea Report 9 Nov 2012 19:39

It is not an 's' - compare it with the 's' of seventeen in the next column.

I would still say that it says Lake or Lakes but it does NOT say father !

Dea x


HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 9 Nov 2012 19:50

Mary I am INTRIGUED!!!!!!

Do you want to send it to me as well and I'll try my eyes (although as my glasses broke yesterday my eyes are not the best ha ha :-)


brummiejan Report 9 Nov 2012 20:07

Just an aside - where is the church in the pic? Looks nice!
jan :-D