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10 Nov 2012 12:57 |
ok.....here goes.. I ha ve the following records so far
Jessie Dickinson father Robert Dickinson (from marriage details) actually seem to be Dickenson in earlier records and other family members. Tree downwards is fine but going back is more difficult.
Robert Dickenson married a Charlotte possibly Parish ...thanks to another GR member match although I can't trace a marriage record.
Charlotte is on the 1841 census with a sister Sarah living with Ann and Thomas Deacon but don't seem to be able to link them as a family/aunt etc
Jessie Dickinson Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861 Age: 19 Spouse Name: Richard Hucks Spouse Age: 24 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 11 Apr 1880 Parish: Camberwell Emmanuel Borough: Southwark Father Name: Robert Dickinson Spouse Father Name: Richard H E Hucks
1861 Census Robert Dickenson 36 born 1925 St Lukes Middx Charlotte Dickenson 25 born 1836 St Pancras Elizabeth Dickenson 4 Emma Dickenson 3 Jesse Dickenson 4 Months
cannot find parents for Robert or marriage to Charlotte
Charlotte MAYBE a Parish if so this could be her (born in St Pancras about 1835) on 1841 Census in Islington
Thomas Deacon 25 Ann Deacon 30 Charlotte Parish 6 Sarah Parish 10
Thomas is a baker and I can find him on other census returns but no links to Parish or Austing (which I shall explain in a bit)
and in 1851
Name: Sarah Parish Age: 42 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809 Relation: Head Gender: F (Female) Where born: St Luke, Middlesex, England Civil parish: St Pancras County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Pancras Sub-registration district: Somers Town
Sarah Parish 42 Sarah Parish 19 Charlotte Parish 16 Harriett Parish 10
there seem to be a few trees out there with incorrect info believing her to be Charlotte Cordelia Parish but the baptism records give that mother as Charlotte not Sarah as well as other inconsistancies....
Chatlotte's mother is Sarah Parish but never find her with a husband...
I found a possible match for her on a later census listed as a sister of Jemima Wilkerson (when digging found she was Jemima Austing father Edward)
But no records out there to confirm if Edward had a Sarah or Sarah is Jemima's siser or if thecensus I found is even the right Sarah Parish....but you know how we follow hunches lolol
Name: Sarah Parish Age: 64 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1807 Relation: Visitor Gender: Female Where born: St Luke, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Islington All Saints Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Islington Sub-registration district: Islington West Name Age Jemima Wilkerson 48 Thomas Wilkerson 25 Sarah Parish 64 William Wilkerson 21
so....if anyone out there with access to anything but ancestry or with ancestry that can find stuff I cant....what I am after is Charlottes marriage to Robert Dickenson...confirmation she was a Parish....and to discover if Sarah Parish was Sarah Austing : D not much to ask I know......
Thanking people in anticipation..ask if I have left out anything I should have included
Jan X
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10 Nov 2012 13:13 |
Have you got her certificate to check the mothers name?
Births Jun 1861 --------------------------------------------------------- DICKINSON Jessenine Pancras 1b 163
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England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 Name: Jessy Dickinson Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1862 Registration district: Islington Inferred County: London Volume: 1b Page: 318
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10 Nov 2012 13:24 |
no, I dont have any certificates, Jessie Dickenson was my paternal grt grt gandmother. I have info on her daughter Ellen Charlotte Hucks plus living memory. The GR tree I matched with was a branch from Jessies sister Elizabeth, she married a Charles Pudney and the surname Parish came from living memory from them.....
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10 Nov 2012 13:41 |
I think youre going to need a childs birth certificate
Where are they in 1871 and when does Robert die please?
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10 Nov 2012 14:00 |
I cant'f find a suitabe birth to apply for a cert....I dont think that Jessemine is correct and the Jessy is 2 years after her birth.
I cannot find a death for Robert
I cannot find the in 1871
believe me I have tried :o/ :-S
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10 Nov 2012 14:04 |
I can confirm that Charlotte Cordelia Parish did not marry Robert....she married someone completely different......
Since your Charlotte appears to have been born St Pancras.........and you're not sure ahe was a Parish.............it is not entirely impossible that in 1861 they were not yet married.............just for information i have a marriage in September 1866, between Robert Dickenson and Charlotte McKay ..at St Pancras..........might be worth bearing in mind.since nobody can find a marriage for Charlotte Parish........
Derek
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10 Nov 2012 14:05 |
there is a possible death for him in 1863
Deaths Sep 1863 (>99%) DICKENSON Robert Pancras 1b 24
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Chris Ho :)
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10 Nov 2012 14:09 |
https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch
(adding above link, Burials, might come in handy!)
Chris :)
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10 Nov 2012 14:19 |
there are too many variables and not enough knowns and huge gaps in records aghhhhhh but isn't that always the case :o)
Thanks Derek.....its a shame all the ancestry trees I find seem to have matched my Charlotte to the wrong baptism/ earlier census returns and parents.....I got all excited when I matched "my" Charlotte to theirs thinking her father was David then to realise they hadn't quite matched things up correctly...they have Charlotte with father David but married twice to add in Sarah....oh it gets in a muddle :-D
Charlotte could have been anything...and yes they could have married later...in fact Ellen Hucks Jessies daughter married twice....yet her child from her second marriage was born 10 years before they married! But the surnames Wetheridge and Scammell were easier to trace...and not QUITE so many spellings!!
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10 Nov 2012 14:24 |
ohhh nice link Chris :o)
found this.....
Dickenson, Charlotte buried on: 10 Nov 1869 recorded at: St Pancras Cemetery (Camden)
which would possibly explain why they arent about in 1871 if both deaths are theirs?
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Jan
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10 Nov 2012 14:29 |
and 2 possibles for him
Dickenson, Robert buried on: 25 Jun 1861 recorded at: St Pancras Cemetery (Camden) Dickenson, Robert buried on: 13 Jul 1863 recorded at: St Pancras Cemetery (Camden)
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10 Nov 2012 14:36 |
Births Dec 1856 ------------------------------------------------------------- Dickenson Elizabeth Sarah Pancras 1b 71
This looks like your girl.
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10 Nov 2012 14:38 |
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Elizabeth Sarah Dickenson Name: Elizabeth Sarah Dickenson Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856 Age: 20 Spouse Name: Charles Alic Pudney Spouse Age: 21 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 17 Jan 1876 Parish: Camberwell Emmanuel Borough: Southwark Father Name: Robert Dickenson Spouse Father Name: Charles Pudney Register Type: Parish Register
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10 Nov 2012 14:52 |
however he isn't marked as decd on any of the girls marriage certificates.....any they were in the 1880's
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10 Nov 2012 14:56 |
Well at least you have a birth record for Elizabeth, now you can send for that and find her mothers name
Marriage certs are not really accurate as to the fathers status.
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Jan
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10 Nov 2012 15:01 |
true :o) And if it shows it IS Parish then I can be stuck all ober again but know legitimately so lololol XXX
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10 Nov 2012 15:44 |
Now this is quite interesting
1871 England Census Name: Charlott Paul Age: 23 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Porkies about her age? Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Thos Paul Gender: Female Where born: Southwark Civil parish: St Mary Newington Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: St Saviour Southwark Sub-registration district: St Mary Newington ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Household schedule number: 374 Piece: 623 Folio: 58 Page Number: 54 Household Members: Name Age Thos Paul 29 Charlott Paul 23 Thos B Edgington 22 Mary A Deckguson 18 <<Daughter in Law (Step child to Thomas) There is a marriage on frrebmd for Charlotte and Thomas
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 Name: Mary Anne Dickinson Spouse Name: Alfred Amos Warren Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 1 Jan 1865 Parish: Southwark St Saviour Borough: Southwark Father Name: Robert Dickinson Spouse Father Name: Daniel Warren Register Type: Parish Register Might be worth looking into
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Chris Ho :)
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10 Nov 2012 16:02 |
Name: Ellen Dickenson Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861 Age: 20 Spouse Name: James Ennis Spouse Age: 21 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 3 Apr 1881 Parish: Camberwell Emmanuel Borough: Southwark Father Name: Robert Dickenson Spouse Father Name: Henry Ennis Register Type: Parish Register
Name: Charles Robert Dickenson Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865 Age: 21 Spouse Name: Barbara Harris Spouse Age: 21 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 25 Apr 1886 Parish: Camberwell Emmanuel Borough: Southwark Father Name: Robert Dickenson Spouse Father Name: James Harris Register Type: Parish Register
(above have Robert, occupation Bottle Dealer)
Chris :)
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10 Nov 2012 16:04 |
The name and occupation fits Chris !!!
Dea x
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10 Nov 2012 16:18 |
1861 (re-post, Find My Past) DICKINSON, Robert Head Married M 36 1825 Hawker St Lukes, Middlesex DICKINSON, Charlotte Wife Married F 25 1836 St Pancras, Middlesex DICKINSON, Elizabeth Daughter F 4 1857 St Pancras, Middlesex DICKINSON, Emma Daughter F 3 1858 Bermondsey, Surrey DICKINSON, Jesse Daughter F 0 (4M) 1861 Walworth, Surrey Piece: 340 Folio: 8 Page: 16 Registration District: Newington Civil Parish: St Mary Newington Municipal Borough: Lambeth Address: 1, Milk Street, St Mary Newington, Walworth, Lambeth County: London, Surrey
(it's that 1871 needed!)
Chris :)
edits (below are James and Susan, witnesses at Marriage of Jessie)
1881 AYLIN, James Head Married M 38 1843 Dust Collector Camberwell, Surrey AYLIN, Susan Wife Married F 26 1855 Camberwell, Surrey AYLIN, James Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar Camberwell, Surrey AYLIN, Mary A Daughter Single F 4 1877 Scholar Camberwell, Surrey WATERS, Elizabeth Niece Single F 16 1865 Camberwell, Surrey BATHURST, Sarah Lodger Married F 40 1841 Ironer Camberwell, Surrey Piece: 671 Folio: 118 Page: 87 Registration District: Camberwell Civil Parish: Camberwell Municipal Borough: Address: 23, Farndon Row, Camberwell County: London, Surrey
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