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Jan

Jan Report 10 Nov 2012 12:57

ok.....here goes.. I ha ve the following records so far

Jessie Dickinson father Robert Dickinson (from marriage details) actually seem to be Dickenson in earlier records and other family members. Tree downwards is fine but going back is more difficult.

Robert Dickenson married a Charlotte possibly Parish ...thanks to another GR member match although I can't trace a marriage record.

Charlotte is on the 1841 census with a sister Sarah living with Ann and Thomas Deacon but don't seem to be able to link them as a family/aunt etc

Jessie Dickinson
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Age: 19
Spouse Name: Richard Hucks
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 11 Apr 1880
Parish: Camberwell Emmanuel
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Robert Dickinson
Spouse Father Name: Richard H E Hucks

1861 Census
Robert Dickenson 36 born 1925 St Lukes Middx
Charlotte Dickenson 25 born 1836 St Pancras
Elizabeth Dickenson 4
Emma Dickenson 3
Jesse Dickenson 4 Months

cannot find parents for Robert or marriage to Charlotte

Charlotte MAYBE a Parish if so this could be her (born in St Pancras about 1835) on 1841 Census in Islington

Thomas Deacon 25
Ann Deacon 30
Charlotte Parish 6
Sarah Parish 10

Thomas is a baker and I can find him on other census returns but no links to Parish or Austing (which I shall explain in a bit)

and in 1851

Name: Sarah Parish
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809
Relation: Head
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: St Luke, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: St Pancras
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Somers Town

Sarah Parish 42
Sarah Parish 19
Charlotte Parish 16
Harriett Parish 10


there seem to be a few trees out there with incorrect info believing her to be Charlotte Cordelia Parish but the baptism records give that mother as Charlotte not Sarah as well as other inconsistancies....

Chatlotte's mother is Sarah Parish but never find her with a husband...

I found a possible match for her on a later census listed as a sister of Jemima Wilkerson (when digging found she was Jemima Austing father Edward)

But no records out there to confirm if Edward had a Sarah or Sarah is Jemima's siser or if thecensus I found is even the right Sarah Parish....but you know how we follow hunches lolol

Name: Sarah Parish
Age: 64
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1807
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: St Luke, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Islington All Saints
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington West
Name Age
Jemima Wilkerson 48
Thomas Wilkerson 25
Sarah Parish 64
William Wilkerson 21

so....if anyone out there with access to anything but ancestry or with ancestry that can find stuff I cant....what I am after is Charlottes marriage to Robert Dickenson...confirmation she was a Parish....and to discover if Sarah Parish was Sarah Austing : D not much to ask I know......

Thanking people in anticipation..ask if I have left out anything I should have included

Jan X


:-D :-D :-D

Gins

Gins Report 10 Nov 2012 13:13

Have you got her certificate to check the mothers name?


Births Jun 1861
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DICKINSON Jessenine Pancras 1b 163


.....or


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Jessy Dickinson
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1862
Registration district: Islington
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b
Page: 318

Jan

Jan Report 10 Nov 2012 13:24

no, I dont have any certificates, Jessie Dickenson was my paternal grt grt gandmother. I have info on her daughter Ellen Charlotte Hucks plus living memory. The GR tree I matched with was a branch from Jessies sister Elizabeth, she married a Charles Pudney and the surname Parish came from living memory from them.....

Gins

Gins Report 10 Nov 2012 13:41

I think youre going to need a childs birth certificate

Where are they in 1871 and when does Robert die please?

Jan

Jan Report 10 Nov 2012 14:00

I cant'f find a suitabe birth to apply for a cert....I dont think that Jessemine is correct and the Jessy is 2 years after her birth.

I cannot find a death for Robert

I cannot find the in 1871

believe me I have tried :o/
:-S

Derek

Derek Report 10 Nov 2012 14:04

I can confirm that Charlotte Cordelia Parish did not marry Robert....she married someone completely different......

Since your Charlotte appears to have been born St Pancras.........and you're not sure ahe was a Parish.............it is not entirely impossible that in 1861 they were not yet married.............just for information i have a marriage in September 1866, between Robert Dickenson and Charlotte McKay ..at St Pancras..........might be worth bearing in mind.since nobody can find a marriage for Charlotte Parish........

Derek

Jan

Jan Report 10 Nov 2012 14:05

there is a possible death for him in 1863

Deaths Sep 1863 (>99%)
DICKENSON Robert Pancras 1b 24

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 10 Nov 2012 14:09

https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch

(adding above link, Burials, might come in handy!)

Chris :)

Jan

Jan Report 10 Nov 2012 14:19

there are too many variables and not enough knowns and huge gaps in records aghhhhhh but isn't that always the case :o)

Thanks Derek.....its a shame all the ancestry trees I find seem to have matched my Charlotte to the wrong baptism/ earlier census returns and parents.....I got all excited when I matched "my" Charlotte to theirs thinking her father was David then to realise they hadn't quite matched things up correctly...they have Charlotte with father David but married twice to add in Sarah....oh it gets in a muddle :-D

Charlotte could have been anything...and yes they could have married later...in fact Ellen Hucks Jessies daughter married twice....yet her child from her second marriage was born 10 years before they married! But the surnames Wetheridge and Scammell were easier to trace...and not QUITE so many spellings!!

Jan

Jan Report 10 Nov 2012 14:24

ohhh nice link Chris :o)

found this.....

Dickenson, Charlotte buried on: 10 Nov 1869 recorded at: St Pancras Cemetery (Camden)

which would possibly explain why they arent about in 1871 if both deaths are theirs?

Jan

Jan Report 10 Nov 2012 14:29

and 2 possibles for him

Dickenson, Robert buried on: 25 Jun 1861 recorded at: St Pancras Cemetery (Camden)
Dickenson, Robert buried on: 13 Jul 1863 recorded at: St Pancras Cemetery (Camden)

Gins

Gins Report 10 Nov 2012 14:36

Births Dec 1856
-------------------------------------------------------------
Dickenson Elizabeth Sarah Pancras 1b 71


This looks like your girl.

Gins

Gins Report 10 Nov 2012 14:38

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Elizabeth Sarah Dickenson
Name: Elizabeth Sarah Dickenson
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Age: 20
Spouse Name: Charles Alic Pudney
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 17 Jan 1876
Parish: Camberwell Emmanuel
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Robert Dickenson
Spouse Father Name: Charles Pudney
Register Type: Parish Register

Jan

Jan Report 10 Nov 2012 14:52

however he isn't marked as decd on any of the girls marriage certificates.....any they were in the 1880's

Gins

Gins Report 10 Nov 2012 14:56

Well at least you have a birth record for Elizabeth, now you can send for that and find her mothers name

Marriage certs are not really accurate as to the fathers status.

Jan

Jan Report 10 Nov 2012 15:01

true :o) And if it shows it IS Parish then I can be stuck all ober again but know legitimately so lololol XXX

Gins

Gins Report 10 Nov 2012 15:44

Now this is quite interesting


1871 England Census
Name: Charlott Paul
Age: 23 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Porkies about her age?
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thos Paul
Gender: Female
Where born: Southwark
Civil parish: St Mary Newington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: St Mary Newington
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Household schedule number: 374
Piece: 623
Folio: 58
Page Number: 54
Household Members: Name Age
Thos Paul 29
Charlott Paul 23
Thos B Edgington 22
Mary A Deckguson 18 <<Daughter in Law (Step child to Thomas)


There is a marriage on frrebmd for Charlotte and Thomas


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Mary Anne Dickinson
Spouse Name: Alfred Amos Warren
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 1 Jan 1865
Parish: Southwark St Saviour
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Robert Dickinson
Spouse Father Name: Daniel Warren
Register Type: Parish Register

Might be worth looking into

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 10 Nov 2012 16:02

Name: Ellen Dickenson
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Age: 20
Spouse Name: James Ennis
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 3 Apr 1881
Parish: Camberwell Emmanuel
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Robert Dickenson
Spouse Father Name: Henry Ennis
Register Type: Parish Register

Name: Charles Robert Dickenson
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Age: 21
Spouse Name: Barbara Harris
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Apr 1886
Parish: Camberwell Emmanuel
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Robert Dickenson
Spouse Father Name: James Harris
Register Type: Parish Register

(above have Robert, occupation Bottle Dealer)

Chris :)

Dea

Dea Report 10 Nov 2012 16:04

The name and occupation fits Chris !!!

Dea x

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 10 Nov 2012 16:18

1861 (re-post, Find My Past)
DICKINSON, Robert Head Married M 36 1825 Hawker
St Lukes, Middlesex
DICKINSON, Charlotte Wife Married F 25 1836
St Pancras, Middlesex
DICKINSON, Elizabeth Daughter F 4 1857
St Pancras, Middlesex
DICKINSON, Emma Daughter F 3 1858
Bermondsey, Surrey
DICKINSON, Jesse Daughter F 0 (4M) 1861
Walworth, Surrey
Piece: 340
Folio: 8
Page: 16
Registration District: Newington
Civil Parish: St Mary Newington
Municipal Borough: Lambeth
Address: 1, Milk Street, St Mary Newington, Walworth, Lambeth
County: London, Surrey

(it's that 1871 needed!)

Chris :)

edits (below are James and Susan, witnesses at Marriage of Jessie)

1881
AYLIN, James Head Married M 38 1843 Dust Collector
Camberwell, Surrey
AYLIN, Susan Wife Married F 26 1855
Camberwell, Surrey
AYLIN, James Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar
Camberwell, Surrey
AYLIN, Mary A Daughter Single F 4 1877 Scholar
Camberwell, Surrey
WATERS, Elizabeth Niece Single F 16 1865
Camberwell, Surrey
BATHURST, Sarah Lodger Married F 40 1841 Ironer
Camberwell, Surrey
Piece: 671
Folio: 118
Page: 87
Registration District: Camberwell
Civil Parish: Camberwell
Municipal Borough:
Address: 23, Farndon Row, Camberwell
County: London, Surrey