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James Seddon

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Yvonne

Yvonne Report 10 Nov 2012 21:25

I am trying to find the birth of James Seddon born abt 1805. I have him in the 1841 census married to Maria Redfearn, they married in 1828 in Leigh, Lancashire, but in 1851 census James as shown as widower. In 1853 James married Mary Walls. I sent for the marriage certificate of James and Mary but it doesn't show a father for James, only for Mary. The witnesses were James Higson and Samuel Whittle. Interestingly, the witnesses for the marriage of James and Maria Redfearn were William Smith and Samuel Whittle. Can anyone suggest how I can find the parents of James.
Thanks
Yvonne

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 10 Nov 2012 21:45

If there was no fathers name on the marriage for James he was probably base born and did'nt know who his father was.

Vicci

Vicci Report 10 Nov 2012 21:45

for info
Marriage: 19 Feb 1828 St Mary the Virgin, Leigh, Lancashire, England
James Seddon - (X), of Leigh Parish
Maria Redfearn - (X), of Leigh Parish
Witness: William Smith; Samuel Whittle
Married by Banns with Consent of Parties by: Jonathan Topping Vicar
Register: Marriages 1825 - 1832, Page 118, Entry 354
Source: LDS Film 559188

Name: James Seddon
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Leigh
Hundred: West Derby
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England


Registration district: Leigh
Sub-registration district: Atherton and Tyldesley
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 513
Book: 2
Folio: 15
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
James Seddon 35
Maria Seddon 35
Mary Redfern 15
Sarah Redfern 13
John Seddon 12
Hannah Seddon 10
Nancy Seddon 4
Jemima Seddon 2


1851

Name: James Seddon
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Relation: Son-in-law
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Westhoughton, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Atherton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England



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Registration district: Leigh
Sub-registration district: West Leigh
ED, institution, or vessel: 1a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 133
Piece: 2205
Folio: 275

Vera

Vera Report 10 Nov 2012 21:45

Found this, but have no idea whether it is anyway near where James said he was born on the 1851 ...Westhoughton

Baptisms: 26 Apr 1805 St James, Brindle, Lancashire, England
James Seddon - Son of Wm. Seddon & Betty
Abode: Whittle
Register: Baptisms 1789 - 1812, Page 60, Entry 24
Source: LDS Film 1849648



Regards Vera

Vicci

Vicci Report 10 Nov 2012 21:51

Baptisms: 19 Aug 1809 St Mary the Virgin, Leigh, Lancashire, England
James Seddon - Son of John Seddon & Martha
Abode: Hindley Wgn.
Register: Baptisms 1798 - 1812, Page 130
Source: LDS Film 1885649

Vicci

Vicci Report 10 Nov 2012 21:53

these are other mariages in Leigh most have Samuel Whittle as a witness

Marriage: 12 Nov 1822 St Mary the Virgin, Leigh, Lancashire, England
James Seddon - (X), Nailor of Leigh Parish
Margaret Thompson - (X), Spinster of Leigh Parish
Witness: James Smith; Samuel Whittle
Married by Banns by: Joseph Hodgkinson Vicar
Register: Marriages 1820 - 1825, Page 153, Entry 458
Source: LDS Film 559188

Marriage: 6 Jan 1823 St Mary the Virgin, Leigh, Lancashire, England
James Seddon - (X), Collier of Leigh Parish
Betty Houghton - (X), Spinster of Leigh Parish
Witness: Samuel Whittle; Timothy Taylor
Married by Banns by: Jacob Robson Curate
Register: Marriages 1820 - 1825, Page 165, Entry 495
Source: LDS Film 559188

Marriage: 8 Nov 1829 St Mary the Virgin, Leigh, Lancashire, England
James Seddon - (X), of Leigh Parish
Mary Cross - (X), of Leigh Parish
Witness: Samuel Whittle; William Taylor
Married by Banns with Consent of Parties by: Jonathan Topping Vicar
Register: Marriages 1825 - 1832, Page 200, Entry 600
Source: LDS Film 559188

Yvonne

Yvonne Report 10 Nov 2012 22:08

Thanks all. I'm wondering if maybe Samuel Whittle was someone who worked for the church and not a friend or relative. I have had contact with two people through Genes and one says his parents are James and Ann Collier and the other has them as William and Nancy. There is a marriage reference for James and Ann Collier on IGI but it gives son James as being born in 1802 in Westhoughton. The IGI marriage reference for James and Nancy and gives him as born in 1804. I have no idea where to go from here.
Thanks

Yvonne

Vicci

Vicci Report 10 Nov 2012 22:15

name: James Seddon
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 28 Apr 1804
baptism/christening place: West Houghton, Lancashire, England
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name:
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Nancy Seddon
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: I03998-1
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1545485
reference number:

Vicci

Vicci Report 10 Nov 2012 22:22

Ralph Seddon

England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

christening: 14 Feb 1809 West Houghton,? Lancashire,? England
residence: West Houghton,? Lancashire,? England

parents: William Seddon,? Nancy Seddon

Ann Seddon

England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

christening: 04 Oct 1807 West Houghton,? Lancashire,? England
residence: West Houghton,? Lancashire,? England

parents: William Seddon,? Nancy Seddon

Michal Seddon

England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

christening: 04 Aug 1813 West Houghton,? Lancashire,? England
residence: West Houghton,? Lancashire,? England

parents: William Seddon,? Nancy Seddon

James Seddon

England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

christening: 28 Apr 1804 West Houghton,? Lancashire,? England
residence: West Houghton,? Lancashire,? England

parents: Nancy Seddon

Betty Seddon

England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

christening: 26 May 1811 West Houghton,? Lancashire,? England
residence: West Houghton,? Lancashire,? England

parents: William Seddon,? Nancy Seddon

Yvonne

Yvonne Report 10 Nov 2012 22:27

Thanks Vicci, I hadn't found that reference. If there's no father shown on the marriage certificate though is any of the above likely to be relevant.

Thanks
Yvonne

Reggie

Reggie Report 10 Nov 2012 22:57

Vicci

If you read carefully the info posted, you will see that only the MOTHER is named on James's baptism record

IF the others named are his younger half-siblings, it could mean that his mother and stepfather were both born with the surname Seddon

Try looking for marriage info on LancsOPC

Reggie

Reggie Report 10 Nov 2012 22:59

In that era, there were 'professional' witnesses....................usually connected somehow with the church, as they were the most likely to be literate

Vicci

Vicci Report 10 Nov 2012 23:02

reggie thanks I am aware of that, trying to establish if there is more than one Nancy Seddon in West Houghton around that time.
could be a mistake and father's name not transcribed or illegible.

lancs opc does not have the baptisms.

curiously...

Burial: 7 Dec 1806 St Peter and St Paul, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England
James Seddon - Son of Nancy Seddon
Abode: Orms[kirk]
Register: Burials 1794 - 1812, Page 41, Entry 11
Source: LDS Film 1849663



Madmeg

Madmeg Report 10 Nov 2012 23:21

Sadly, I don't think you can deduce anything safely from any of the above findings.

My only suggestion is you try to find some of the possible parents on the 1841/51 census, and then their deaths, and try local cemeteries to find out who paid for their graves. A lot can be gleaned from graves.

Yvonne

Yvonne Report 11 Nov 2012 01:12

Thanks again everybody. Reggie, that certainly makes sense and would explain why he appears on so many. I think I do agree with Madmeg though, even though the other findings are understandable, I don't think anything can be safely deduced. Things get so difficult once you go pre-1837 don't they. Assuming I found their deaths how would I go about finding their graves, since I live outside the UK. Would I have to contact the various cemeteries.

Yvonne