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Hi Chris

Thanks for that yes I have the birth having spent a fortune this weekend looking the family up.

In loving memory of William Carmichael beloved husband of Diana Edwards who died 9th Oct 1931 aged 87, their 2nd son Jeoffreys Private N.Z Ex. Force killed at Ypres 4th Oct 1917 aged 35, their 4th son James Arthur Private 17th HLI died of wounds received at Somme 25th July 1916 aged 29, the above Diana Edwards who died 19th May 1945 aged 94.

(from below link)

http://scottishwargraves.phpbbweb.com/scottishwargraves-ftopic1216-0-asc-30.html

Chris :)

edits (see you probably have this!)

http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/welcome.aspx

(have you got Birth from above, 1 showing, but credits needed to view)

Chris :)

Name: Mr J CARMICHAEL
Date of departure: 7 February 1900
Port of departure: London
Passenger destination port: Wellington, New Zealand
Passenger destination: Wellington, New Zealand
Date of Birth: 1882 (calculated from age)
Age: 18
Marital status: Single
Sex: Male
Occupation: Farm Cadet
Passenger recorded on: Page 1 of 4
Ship:
Official Number:
Master's name:
Steamship Line:
Where bound:
Square feet:
Registered tonnage:
Passengers on voyage:
WHAKATANE
I Sutcliffe
The New Zealand Shipping Company Limited
New Zealand
3659
71

Chris :)

https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/show#uri=http://hr-search-api:8080/searchapi/search/collection/1609792

(might be worth a look on above)

Many thanks everyone for your help.

Best wishes

Margaret

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CARMICHAEL J 1882 M 1900 London New Zealand Wellington

From the CWGC site.....free to all

CARMICHAEL, JEOFFREYS

Rank: Private
Service No: 42283
Date of Death: 04/10/1917
Age: 35
Regiment/Service: Auckland Regiment, N.Z.E.F.

"A" Coy. 1st Bn.
Panel Reference
N.Z. Apse, Panel 1.
Memorial
TYNE COT MEMORIAL
Additional Information:
Son of William and Diana Carmichael. Native of Edinburgh, later of Fairfield, Liverpool, England.

Definitely not married...............

So it sound as if he wasn't married at the time he went to war.

Any record of his time in NZ before that?

Thanks for the above.

Margaret

New Zealand, Electoral Rolls, 1853-1981
about Jeoffreys Carmichael
Name: Jeoffreys Carmichael
Electoral Year: 1905-1906
District: Auckland Central
Region or Province: Auckland

Occupation Cook
Address Queen St, Auckland

Andy

New Zealand Army WWI Roll of Honour, 1914-1919
about Jeoffrey Carmichael
Name: Jeoffrey Carmichael
Death Date: 4 Oct 1917
Death Place: France
Regimental Number: 42283
Roll Section: Section 1 - Died while on active service

Andy

New Zealand Army WWI Nominal Rolls, 1914-1918
about Jeoffrey Carmichael
Name: Jeoffrey Carmichael
Regimental Number: 42283
Relative Name: P C Ansell
Relative Relationship: Friend
Embarkation: 1917


Shown as a Brewery Employee living in Auckland.

Andy

Hi,

I wonder if someone with worldwide access could look this chap up.

He was born in 1892 in Edinburgh to William and Diana Carmichael (nee Edwards)

I find him in the 1891 England census living with his parents and siblings then nothing until his death on 4th October 1917 in Belgium a WW1 casualty. On the web I found mention of his death and the detail that he was serving with the New Zealand Forces and his nationality was now a New Zealander and a photo of his parents grave with his name on.

I guess he must have gone there after the 1891 census and as he was 35 at his death I wonder if he married and had family in NZ?

The different spelling of Jeoffreys is correct - seems to be a family thing.

I know everything about the rest of the family - it's just this point I'm stuck on.

Many thanks

Margaret