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It's a pity Robert hasn't hung around.......it's only half an hour!

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Thomas Ainsworth
Name: Thomas Ainsworth PASTRY COOK
Age: Full Age
Spouse Name: Mary Ann Turner
Spouse Age: 19
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 14 May 1883
Parish: Walworth St John the Evangelist
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Edwin Ainsworth ******* not Edward<<<<<Oven builder
Spouse Father Name: Hnery Turner
Register Type: Parish Register

There is this one.

1911 England Census
about Robert Ainsworth
Name: Robert Ainsworth
Age in 1911: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1909
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Poplar
Civil parish: Poplar
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 39 Southill St, Poplar E
Marital Status: Single
Registration district: Poplar
Registration District Number: 22
Sub-registration district: Poplar
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Piece: 1718
Household Members: Name Age
George Ainsworth 43
Ameila Ainsworth 42
George Ainsworth 14
William Ainsworth 12
Emily Ainsworth 10
Alice Ainsworth 6
Milly Ainsworth 4
Robert Ainsworth

Your not old Mel ;-)

1911 England Census
about John Thomas Almond
Name: John Thomas Almond
Age in 1911: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation to Head: Brother-in-law
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Preston, Lancaster, England
Civil parish: Preston
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 39 Essex St Off St Pauls Rd Preston Lanc England
Marital Status: Widowed
Occupation: Labourer
Registration district: Preston
Registration District Number: 476
Sub-registration district: North Preston
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Piece: 25291
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Elizabeth Almond 30
Thomas Almond 28
John Thomas Almond 43 READS AINSWORTH AND HE IS BROTHER IN LAW TO THE HEAD AND A WIDOW.
Elizabeth Alice Ainsworth 19
Thomas Ainsworth 12
Frederick Ainsworth 8
Mary Josephine Ainsworth 4
Robert Ainsworth 3 ********************************

I feel it sometimes Gins :-(

There are two possible Robert Ainsworth births in Preston for that Robert.

THIS is the birth of the person in question

Births Sep 1907 (>99%)
Ainsworth Robert Southwark 1d 75

Until Robert returns, I'm not using any more of my time on this

It seems that Robert has a tree on Ancestry. His Robert he has marrying on 4th Aug 1929 to a Elizabeth Sarah Brimble. He has the marriage cert it says.

This is what he has written on the tree.

Grandad was a bricklayer. His father Thomas was a baker. The church was in Newington. Grandad was 22, Nanny was 19. Got marriage certificate,

On the 1911 census for Thomas it says they had 7 children and only 4 left living and they are on the census.

On that Ancestry tree, he gives the 1911 census as proof of birth but has a census with a Robert b1909 Poplar. He does give a full date of birth - 19th June 1907.

1911 England Census
about Nancy Ainsworth
Name: Nancy Ainsworth
Age in 1911: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: WALWORTH, England
Civil parish: Newington St Mary
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 17 Content Street S E
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: NOY ABLE TO WORK CRIPPLE
Registration district: Southwark
Registration District Number: 23
Sub-registration district: Newington North
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Piece: 1809
Household Members: Name Age
Fomas Ainsworth 47
Mary Ainsworth 48
Fomas Ainsworth 14
William Ainsworth 11
Sidney Ainsworth 12
Nancy Ainsworth 18

I put up Nancy ( Which reads Janey) as she is not able to work.

Iv'e done it again hav'nt I as this census has this info on on the previous page.

I put up the baptisms of Thomas's children and there were 6 only Jane was missing so Thomas may have been down as Robert's father on his marriage cert but he definately was not. It has beenn known for a brother to have been put down on a marriage cert as the father and even uncles etc. The birth of Robert Ainsworth in Southark 1907 would be worth buying I think to find out his mothers maiden name. It is the only way to be sure.

This must be Jane using Jane as name same as mother.

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Mary Anne Jane Ainsworth
Name: Mary Anne Jane Ainsworth
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 8 Apr 1888
Father's Name: Thomas Ainsworth = Pastry cook.
Mother's name: Mary Anne Ainsworth
Parish or Poor Law Union: Lambeth St Andrew
Borough: Lambeth
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address 33 Market St.

So that is the seven children accounted for and NO Robert.

London baptism records on Ancestry only go up to 1906, so that facility is no use in Robert's case.

None of which explains why he isn't on the 1911 census

WOW!!

thank you one and all

thank you, thank you, thank you. this really helps

Bob

Also, apologies for not hanging around. Not sure of the protocol regarding postings (sorry Reggie). Been a member for three days!

I do have a small tree on ancestry but am developing this one as it makes more sense

Thank you again. Interesting about the swapping of relations (Mel) :-)

Robert was definitely a London lad and so the Lancashire leads are out. In any case, it would seem that he was not on the 1911 census. that appears to be the common thought.

Again my thanks

bob

Hello again,

I did not know that this thing would go 'viral.

the facts I have are as follows:

Robert William Alfred Ainsworth DOB 5/2/1930 (My father)
Father B 19/6/1907; we celebrated his birthday on that date. question mark added because of unable to trace on census. this is why I queried
Robert Ainsworth married Elizabeth Sarah Brimble 1929 (source (BMD records)
He was in the navy and then was a carpenter. Navy dates not known

that is the actual material I can prove.

Does this help/

PS what does OP stand for?

thanks again

Bob

You really need the birth cert......until you get that, nothing can be proved.

OP = original poster.......ie..........you, in this case

Dear all,

I DO have a copy of the birth certificate that reads as follows:

DOB 19/6/1907
Name Robert
Father Thomas (Must be the TOMAS on the census)
Mother Mary Ann Turner
Profession Pastry Cook
Address 29 Rockingham St Southwark , Newington Butts. He was born at this address.

So it seems to me he was NOT on the census. Is that agreed?

Kind regards to one and all

Bob



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