Shirley, I've added some info to my post above.
What hard facts do you have, or are assumptions being made?
To end any speculation you really need to get William and Susannah's marriage certificate to get the facts about their ages and fathers(if known).
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1865
Barrett John Plymouth 5b 502
Coke William Plymouth 5b 502 <<
Lyle Susanna Plymouth 5b 502 <<
Webb Rebecca Plymouth 5b 502
yes, marieceleste. They are the correct family on the 1871. I am unable to find them on the 1861. That is, Susanna lyall/lisle/lyle. William is married to jane, we think, nee vickery in 1861. The children are not born.
For some reason, louisa moves to downham in lancashire. She is the mother of james pickles. But when he got his birth certificate his name was frederick james coke, so he was very annoyed. He changed the name on the certificate in pencil to cook and from that day called himself james cook, as he thought that the name of his uncles, who were then living in barnoldswick yorkshire/lancashire was the correct name -i.e cook. William h and charles were only called cook because susanna happened to marry a man named cook after she married william coke.
We really want to find susannah lisle/lyall/lyle in 1861. I found a susannah lyle in holsworthy on a census i think in 1861 or 1871 aged 55 but i think she may have been parent or relative of susanna born 1838.
does this help?
I'm thinking that Coke has more likely been mis-recorded as Cook .....
What makes you think that the William who married in 1865 would have been 77?
What about this one in 1861? He's a similar age to Susannah and is a carpenter, fits her being a carpenter's widow in 1871. Louisa was born Plymouth:
COKE, Thomas Head Widower M 53 1808 House Carpenter ..., Devon
COKE, Sophia ... Unmarried F 67 1794 Laindon, Cornwall
COKE, Thomas Son Unmarried M 22 1839 House Carpenter Stonehouse, Devon
COKE, William D Son Unmarried M 20 1841 House Carpenter Stonehouse, Devon <<
COKE, Emma J Daughter F 18 1843 Stonehouse, Devon
COKE, Charles Son M 13 1848 Scholar Stonehouse, Devon
COKE, Louisa Daughter F 10 1851 Stonehouse, Devon
Piece: 1436 Folio: 81 Page: 48
Registration District: Plymouth
Civil Parish: Charles
Municipal Borough: Plymouth
Address: Armada Street, Charles, Plymouth County: Devonshire
Is this Louisa with family in 1871?
COOK, Susanna Head F 33 1838 Devon < Carpenter's widow
COOK, Louisa Daughter F 6 1865 Devon
COOK, William H Son M 3 1868 Devon
COOK, Charles Son M 0 1871 Devon
Piece: 2210 Folio: 48 Page: 23
Registration District: Holsworthy
Civil Parish: Holsworthy
Address: Under Street Holsworthy, Little, Holsworthy County: Devonshire
Louisa born Plymouth, the rest born Holsworthy. Susannah is the head and the rest are her children.
Hello Shirley, what census do you have them on - can you give us details?
What certificates do you have to confirm your information?
Which one of these people are you connected to, and how? (Just so we can work out the correct info).
Can anyone discover if william coke possible father of louisa coke born july august september 1865 was the one who was married to a jane and living in holsworthy devon in 1861 . This would make the later marriage of a william coke and susannah lyle/lyall/lisle in 1865 as a strange one where william would be approx 77 years old and susannah would be 27. Susannah was the mum of louisa coke . Susannah we think went on to marry a man named cook, and had children named william henry cook and charles cook born 1868 and 1871 respectively.
Louisa was equally hard work as she went on to have a child frederick james coke out of wedlock. She went on to marry an edward pickles and this son frederick james always thought of himself as james pickles. "james" go his birth certificate and it shows his name as coke, but he thought of it as cook and corrected it as he saw his cousins named cook and thought he was named cook . Its all very confusing. But trying to prove that this william coke was the possible father and husband of louisa and susannah.
can anyone help?