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Sandra
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30 Nov 2012 08:45 |
Thankyou i thought it was copping not coffings
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Gee
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18 Nov 2012 12:19 |
Thank you Christina
I'm sure the lady above is a different person, is also shown as born in Bury, heres her birth
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 Name: Elizabeth Collins Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1877 Registration district: Bury Inferred County: Lancashire Volume: 8c Page: 589
.........and her death? Wavertree was abolished 1.4.1922 to become part of the parish of Liverpool.
England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006 Name: Elizabeth Collins Birth Date: abt 1876 Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1930 Age at Death: 54 Registration district: Liverpool Inferred County: Lancashire Volume: 8b Page: 276
Probate shows her a wife of Patrick Collins, so it might not be the right death.
And she shows on all the censuses with parents James & Susan*
Heres another birth for John Brock and Elizabeth showing that she is still in Salford in 1912
Births Mar 1912 -------------------------------------------------------- BROCK Edith M Warriner Salford 8d 208
Aww bless
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915 Name: Edith M Brock Estimated Birth Year: abt 1912 Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1912 Age at Death: 0 Registration district: Salford Inferred County: Lancashire Volume: 8d Page: 117
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ChristinaS
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18 Nov 2012 11:50 |
This is the Elizabeth Collins that Sandra is referring to, in 1911:
Name: Elizabeth Collins Age in 1911: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876 Relation to Head: Boarder Gender: Female Birth Place: Barry, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Wavertree County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address: 31 Bagot St Wavertree Lpool Marital Status: Single Occupation: Shop Assistant
Samuel Coffing 39 Sarah Coffing 38 Dorothy Man Coffing 10 Margery Emma Coffing 6 Elizabeth Collins 35 Beatrice Pownall 24
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18 Nov 2012 09:05 |
Coppins.........where have you found Elizabeth living with this family?
It seems clear that she left her family and took up with John Brock, never married him and died under her married name Collins
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Sandra
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18 Nov 2012 07:12 |
Thankyou I think!!!! this gets very confusing the rweason being is when we found Elizabeth living with yhe coppins this is actually my fathers cousins name so are we presuming a little cousin on cousin, i am so confused cheers Sandi ;-)
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Gee
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17 Nov 2012 14:07 |
Hi Sandra
I sent you a PM yesterday, explaining how you get back to this thread as I noticed it was your first post on here
You've opened the message but as you have not acknowledge that or the help that has been given on this thread, I presume you are having difficulty getting back here?
I'll get Cynthia to send you instructions, she's better than me at explaining!
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PricklyHolly
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16 Nov 2012 11:56 |
For a clearer picture of the 1911.......
Household transcription 1911 census Person: BROCK, Sydney Address: 30 Bury St Salford
BROCK, John L Head Widower M 43 1868 Salesman Borrow Lancashire VIEW BROCK, John L Son Single M 18 1893 Salesman Lancs Hulme VIEW BROCK, Sydney Son Single M 16 1895 Clerk Lancs Hulme VIEW COLLINS, Elizabeth Servant Married 8 years F 36 1875 General Servant Domestic Lancs Hulme VIEW COLLINS, Gladys H Daughter F 0 (5 MONTHS) 1911 Lancs Salford VIEW POLLINGER, John Boarder Single M 43 1868 Painter Worker Lancs Salford VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 24026 Reference: RG14PN24026 RG78PN1383 RD465 SD3 ED13 SN208 Registration District: Salford Sub District: Greengate Enumeration District: 13 Parish: Salford Address: 30 Bury St Salford County: Lancashire
Elizabeth married 8 yrs.........i child born and living.
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PricklyHolly
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16 Nov 2012 11:48 |
Ooooer!!!
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Gee
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16 Nov 2012 11:30 |
Looks like this is another child for Elizabeth
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 Name: Ada Brock Mother's Maiden Name: Collins Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1915 Registration district: Salford Inferred County: Lancashire Volume: 8d Page: 152 England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 Name: Ada Brock Spouse Surname: Cilka Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1935 Registration district: Salford Inferred County: Lancashire Volume Number: 8d Page Number: 1080 England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006 Name: Ada Cilka Birth Date: abt 1915 Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1967 Age at Death: 52 Registration district: Manchester Inferred County: Lancashire Volume: 10e Page: 348
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16 Nov 2012 11:19 |
England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 Mary E Collins Spouse Surname: Sydney C Brock Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1917 Registration district: Salford Inferred County: Lancashire Volume Number: 8d Page Number: 82
England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006 Name: Mary Ellen Brock Birth Date: 5 Apr 1896 Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1983 Age at Death: 86 Registration district: Manchester Inferred County: Greater Manchester Volume: 38 Page: 1418
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16 Nov 2012 11:07 |
England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
Name: John Leach Brock of 95 Hall Street, Manchester Probate Date: 25 Feb 1942 Death Date: 1 Jan 1942 Death Place: Manchester, England Registry: Manchester, England To Sydney Currie Brock Commercial clerk & Gladys Henrietta Thomas £163 14s 2d
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16 Nov 2012 10:57 |
From a tree at Ancestry..........oooher
Gladys Henrietta Collins Linnen Family Tree Birth: 30 Nov 1910 - Lancashire, England Marriage: Sep 1939 - Salford, Lancashire, England Death: Oct 1985 - Lancashire, England Parents: John Leach Brock<<<<above census Elizabeth Ann Warriner Spouse: Thomas James Andrew Linnen
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16 Nov 2012 10:49 |
1911 England Census Name: Elizabeth Collins Age in 1911: 36 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875 Relation to Head: Servant Gender: Female Birth Place: Lancashire, England Civil parish: Salford County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address: 30 Bury St Salford Marital Status: Married Occupation: General Servant (Domestic) Registration district: Salford Registration District Number: 465 Sub-registration district: Greengate ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Piece: 24026 Household Members: Name Age John L Brook 43 <<<widowed salesman John L Brook 18 Sydney Brook 16 Elizabeth Collins 36 Gladys H Collins 5/12 <<Daughter to head of family John Bollinger 43 Deaths Sep 1925 ----------------------------------------------------- Collins Elizabeth A 49 Salford 8d 257
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PricklyHolly
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16 Nov 2012 10:47 |
The oldest child Mary Ellen also appears on the 1901.
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Porkie_Pie
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16 Nov 2012 10:38 |
According to the OP The first child born was Emily but the 1911 posted has an older child Mary Ellen
May be better if Sandra posts the full info she has for the 1901
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PricklyHolly
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16 Nov 2012 10:28 |
Maybe he is John Edward..........or, Edward John.
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Dea
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16 Nov 2012 10:25 |
Must be the correct family though as everything else matches - even the 'boarder' !!
Perhaps he was 'John Edward' ??
There is this marriage which could fit? :
COLLINS John E WARRINER Elizabeth Prestwich Registrar Attended Manchester PRE_RM/26/185
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PricklyHolly
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16 Nov 2012 10:14 |
Oooo yeah, i didn't notice "John"........just the children.
Edward in the 1901 is a Iron Foundry Labourer.
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Dea
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16 Nov 2012 10:06 |
Yes Prickles - that's the only one that I could find too BUT !!! - the parents there are John + ??
Shouldn't they be Edward + Elizabeth??? Or am I missing something here???
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PricklyHolly
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16 Nov 2012 10:01 |
Here you go Dea........
Household transcription 1911 census Person: COLLINS, Emily Address: 18 Susan St Manchester
COLLINS, John Head Married M 41 1870 General Labourer Lancashire Manchester VIEW COLLINS, Mary Ellen Daughter F 14 1897 School Lancashire Manchester VIEW COLLINS, Emily Daughter F 13 1898 School Lancashire Manchester VIEW COLLINS, John Son M 11 1900 School Lancashire Manchester VIEW COLLINS, William Son M 8 1903 Lancashire Manchester VIEW COLLINS, Agnes Daughter F 7 1904 Lancashire Manchester VIEW COLLINS, James Son M 2 1909 Lancashire Manchester VIEW HALL, Thomas Boarder Single M 25 1886 Iron Driller Lancashire Manchester VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 24147 Reference: RG14PN24147 RG78PN1387 RD466 SD3 ED14 SN127 Registration District: Manchester Sub District: St George Enumeration District: 14 Parish: Manchester Address: 18 Susan St Manchester County: Lancashire
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