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elizabeth collins where did she go

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Sandra

Sandra Report 30 Nov 2012 08:45

Thankyou i thought it was copping not coffings

Gins

Gins Report 18 Nov 2012 12:19

Thank you Christina


I'm sure the lady above is a different person, is also shown as born in Bury, heres her birth


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Elizabeth Collins
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1877
Registration district: Bury
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 589

.........and her death? Wavertree was abolished 1.4.1922 to become part of the parish of Liverpool.

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006
Name: Elizabeth Collins
Birth Date: abt 1876
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1930
Age at Death: 54
Registration district: Liverpool
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 276

Probate shows her a wife of Patrick Collins, so it might not be the right death.


And she shows on all the censuses with parents James & Susan*




Heres another birth for John Brock and Elizabeth showing that she is still in Salford in 1912



Births Mar 1912
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BROCK Edith M Warriner Salford 8d 208


Aww bless


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
Name: Edith M Brock
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1912
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1912
Age at Death: 0
Registration district: Salford
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 117

ChristinaS

ChristinaS Report 18 Nov 2012 11:50

This is the Elizabeth Collins that Sandra is referring to, in 1911:

Name: Elizabeth Collins
Age in 1911: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Barry, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Wavertree
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 31 Bagot St Wavertree Lpool
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Shop Assistant

Samuel Coffing
39
Sarah Coffing
38
Dorothy Man Coffing
10
Margery Emma Coffing
6
Elizabeth Collins
35
Beatrice Pownall
24

Gins

Gins Report 18 Nov 2012 09:05

Coppins.........where have you found Elizabeth living with this family?

It seems clear that she left her family and took up with John Brock, never married him and died under her married name Collins

x

Sandra

Sandra Report 18 Nov 2012 07:12

Thankyou I think!!!! this gets very confusing the rweason being is when we found Elizabeth living with yhe coppins this is actually my fathers cousins name so are we presuming a little cousin on cousin, i am so confused cheers Sandi ;-)

Gins

Gins Report 17 Nov 2012 14:07

Hi Sandra

I sent you a PM yesterday, explaining how you get back to this thread as I noticed it was your first post on here

You've opened the message but as you have not acknowledge that or the help that has been given on this thread, I presume you are having difficulty getting back here?

I'll get Cynthia to send you instructions, she's better than me at explaining!

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 16 Nov 2012 11:56

For a clearer picture of the 1911.......

Household transcription
1911 census

Person: BROCK, Sydney
Address: 30 Bury St Salford

BROCK, John L Head Widower M 43 1868 Salesman Borrow Lancashire VIEW
BROCK, John L Son Single M 18 1893 Salesman Lancs Hulme VIEW
BROCK, Sydney Son Single M 16 1895 Clerk Lancs Hulme VIEW
COLLINS, Elizabeth Servant Married 8 years F 36 1875 General Servant Domestic Lancs Hulme VIEW
COLLINS, Gladys H Daughter F 0 (5 MONTHS) 1911 Lancs Salford VIEW
POLLINGER, John Boarder Single M 43 1868 Painter Worker Lancs Salford VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 24026
Reference: RG14PN24026 RG78PN1383 RD465 SD3 ED13 SN208
Registration District: Salford
Sub District: Greengate
Enumeration District: 13
Parish: Salford
Address: 30 Bury St Salford
County: Lancashire


Elizabeth married 8 yrs.........i child born and living.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 16 Nov 2012 11:48

Ooooer!!!

Gins

Gins Report 16 Nov 2012 11:30

Looks like this is another child for Elizabeth


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Ada Brock
Mother's Maiden Name: Collins
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1915
Registration district: Salford
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 152

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
Name: Ada Brock
Spouse Surname: Cilka
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1935
Registration district: Salford
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8d
Page Number: 1080

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006
Name: Ada Cilka
Birth Date: abt 1915
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1967
Age at Death: 52
Registration district: Manchester
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10e
Page: 348

Gins

Gins Report 16 Nov 2012 11:19

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
Mary E Collins
Spouse Surname: Sydney C Brock
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1917
Registration district: Salford
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8d
Page Number: 82

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006
Name: Mary Ellen Brock
Birth Date: 5 Apr 1896
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1983
Age at Death: 86
Registration district: Manchester
Inferred County: Greater Manchester
Volume: 38
Page: 1418




:-0

Gins

Gins Report 16 Nov 2012 11:07

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966

Name: John Leach Brock of 95 Hall Street, Manchester
Probate Date: 25 Feb 1942
Death Date: 1 Jan 1942
Death Place: Manchester, England
Registry: Manchester, England

To Sydney Currie Brock Commercial clerk & Gladys Henrietta Thomas £163 14s 2d

Gins

Gins Report 16 Nov 2012 10:57

From a tree at Ancestry..........oooher


Gladys Henrietta Collins
Linnen Family Tree
Birth: 30 Nov 1910 - Lancashire, England
Marriage: Sep 1939 - Salford, Lancashire, England
Death: Oct 1985 - Lancashire, England
Parents: John Leach Brock<<<<above census Elizabeth Ann Warriner
Spouse: Thomas James Andrew Linnen

Gins

Gins Report 16 Nov 2012 10:49

1911 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Collins
Age in 1911: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 30 Bury St Salford
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: General Servant (Domestic)
Registration district: Salford
Registration District Number: 465
Sub-registration district: Greengate
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Piece: 24026
Household Members: Name Age
John L Brook 43 <<<widowed salesman
John L Brook 18
Sydney Brook 16
Elizabeth Collins 36
Gladys H Collins 5/12 <<Daughter to head of family
John Bollinger 43


Deaths Sep 1925
-----------------------------------------------------
Collins Elizabeth A 49 Salford 8d 257

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 16 Nov 2012 10:47

The oldest child Mary Ellen also appears on the 1901.


Porkie_Pie

Porkie_Pie Report 16 Nov 2012 10:38

According to the OP The first child born was Emily but the 1911 posted has an older child Mary Ellen

May be better if Sandra posts the full info she has for the 1901

Roy

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 16 Nov 2012 10:28

Maybe he is John Edward..........or, Edward John.


Dea

Dea Report 16 Nov 2012 10:25

Must be the correct family though as everything else matches - even the 'boarder' !!

Perhaps he was 'John Edward' ??

There is this marriage which could fit? :

COLLINS John E WARRINER Elizabeth Prestwich Registrar Attended Manchester PRE_RM/26/185

Dea x

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 16 Nov 2012 10:14

Oooo yeah, i didn't notice "John"........just the children.


Edward in the 1901 is a Iron Foundry Labourer.

Dea

Dea Report 16 Nov 2012 10:06

Yes Prickles - that's the only one that I could find too BUT !!! - the parents there are John + ??

Shouldn't they be Edward + Elizabeth??? Or am I missing something here???

Dea Xxx

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 16 Nov 2012 10:01

Here you go Dea........


Household transcription
1911 census

Person: COLLINS, Emily
Address: 18 Susan St Manchester

COLLINS, John Head Married M 41 1870 General Labourer Lancashire Manchester VIEW
COLLINS, Mary Ellen Daughter F 14 1897 School Lancashire Manchester VIEW
COLLINS, Emily Daughter F 13 1898 School Lancashire Manchester VIEW
COLLINS, John Son M 11 1900 School Lancashire Manchester VIEW
COLLINS, William Son M 8 1903 Lancashire Manchester VIEW
COLLINS, Agnes Daughter F 7 1904 Lancashire Manchester VIEW
COLLINS, James Son M 2 1909 Lancashire Manchester VIEW
HALL, Thomas Boarder Single M 25 1886 Iron Driller Lancashire Manchester VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 24147
Reference: RG14PN24147 RG78PN1387 RD466 SD3 ED14 SN127
Registration District: Manchester
Sub District: St George
Enumeration District: 14
Parish: Manchester
Address: 18 Susan St Manchester
County: Lancashire