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Fred Ball -R.F.C. 39719
Lived in E.London

Hi what info are you after do you have date and place of birth

Can't see a death in WW1 for that service number - what else do you know about him please?

Dea x

where did you find that info ??

The deaths on CWGC for Royal Flying Corps don't seem to give service number.

This one is the closest I can see:

BALL, O F G
Rank:Second Lieutenant
Date of Death:05/04/1917
Age:22
Regiment/Service:Royal Flying Corps
13th Sqdn. and Royal Sussex Regiment
Grave ReferenceV. A. 43.
CemeteryAUBIGNY COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION
Additional Information:
Son of Oswald and Maud Ball, of "Glenthorne," Ravens Rd., Shoreham-by-Sea, Sussex.

This looks like him:

1911 England Census
about Osward Frederic Grevatte Ball Name: Osward Frederic Grevatte Ball
Age in 1911: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Kingston By Sea, Sussex
Civil parish: Hove
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Street Address: School House Ham Road Shoreham By Sea Sussex
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: student Teacher
Registration district: Steyning
Registration District Number: 80
Sub-registration district: Shoreham
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 184
Piece: 5215
Household Members: Name Age
Osward Ball 40
Louisa Maud Ball 37
Osward Frederic Grevatte Ball 16
Emily Maude Helena Ball 14
Leah Daisy Lilian Ball 12
Reginald George Grevatte Ball 8
Vera Grace Ball 6
Horace Cecil Grevatte Ball 5
Laban Siffleet 75

You're right , Dea, I'm just grasping at straws. I wish posters would stick around to answer questions. First question was asked 1 minute after original post.

I agree but 12 posts since 2003 make me think that maybe Victor hasn't realised just quite how quickly we all work :-D

If it was the one Margee has found, this relates. Scroll down the article on here.

http://www.shorehambysea.com/some-lesser-known-shoreham-characters.html

After Ham Road School Oswald was appointed in 1915 as the first headmaster of Victoria Road School and continued there until his retirement in the mid 1930’s. Tragically one of his sons was killed whilst flying with the Royal Flying Corps during WW1 (2nd Lieut. Oswald Frederick Gravette Ball, 13 Artillery Observation Squadron, Royal Flying Corps flying R.E.8 aircraft, buried Aubigny Communal Cemetery F.1174) but his eldest daughter Leah later followed him to become headmistress at Ham Road then Victoria Road. Oswald also served on the Council for a while in the 1930’s.

Many thanks for all your information and tips, very much appreciated.
I was given a scrap of paper that my wife had saved from her Auntie Olive (Fred was her late husband ) and he died at the end of WW1. On the paper were drawings and it ended with the details that I had put on FR.
We were just interested in finding out a bit more about him.

I have already researched my Family tree several years ago - my Grandparents were from Russia (that was difficult to research, but I finished it) and then I had a stroke back in '08 and don't seem to have the energy to start another research.
I was just interested in finding out where Fred had died - that' all.

Victor, if Fred married Olive do you know her maiden name? if it is this one, then the middle initial might be a help in finding out more

Marriages Sep 1915 (>99%)

Ball Frederick J Eden W.Ham 4a 570
Eden Olive F E Ball W. Ham 4a 570

I wonder if it might be this one who was formerly RFC...not the same number though

Name: Frederick James Ball
Birth Place: Bermondsey, Surrey
Residence: East Ham
Death Date: 2 Sep 1918
Death Location: France & Flanders
Enlistment Location: Stratford, London, E.
Rank: Private
Regiment: East Yorkshire Regiment
Battalion: 1st Battalion
Number: 42350
Type of Casualty: Killed in action
Theatre of War: Western European Theatre
Comments: Formerly 63251, R.F.C.


BALL, FREDERICK JAMES
Rank:Private
Service No:42350
Date of Death:02/09/1918
Age:36
Regiment/Service:East Yorkshire Regiment
1st Bn.
Grave ReferenceII. G. 12.
CemeteryBANCOURT BRITISH CEMETERY

Additional Information:
*** Husband of Olive Fanny Eves Ball, of 38, Springfield Rd., East Ham, London.

1901 England Census
about Frederick J Ball
Name: Frederick J Ball
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henry Ball
Mother's Name: Maria E Ball
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey, London, England

Civil parish: Barking
Ecclesiastical parish: Barking St Margaret
Town: Barking
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Registration district: Romford
Sub-registration district: Barkingtown
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 346
Piece: 1655
Folio: 129
Page Number: 59
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Ball 53
Maria E Ball 53
Frederick J Ball 18 <<Chemist shop assistant
George W Ball 16
Albert E Ball 13


1911 England Census
Name: Frederick James Ball
Age in 1911: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation to Head: Boarder
Birth Place: Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Uxbridge
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address: 49A High Street, Uxbridge, Middlesex
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Chemists Assistant
Registration district: Uxbridge
Registration District Number: 127
Sub-registration district: Uxbridge
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household schedule number: 69
Piece: 6780
Household Members: Name Age
Henry James Hammond 58
Agnes Sarah Jane Hammond 44
Herbert Reginald Hammond 8
Cynthia Voor Kitchenman Hammond 5
Frederick James Ball 28
John Marmont 22
John William Wigham 28
Henry Williamson 35
Charles James Carlyles Foocester 56
Alfred Havelock Birch 52
Frances Sarah Birch 52
Marjory Frances Birch 23
Sidney Havelock Birch 22
Edwin Arthur Alfred Birch 16

Freds mom and sibling


1911 England Census
about Albert Edward Ball
Name: Albert Edward Ball
Age in 1911: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: St Luke, London, England
Civil parish: Barking
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street Address: 139 Boundary Rd, Barking, Essex
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Kitchen Porter
Registration district: Romford
Registration District Number: 191
Sub-registration district: Barking Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Household schedule number: 31
Piece: 9925
Household Members: Name Age
Maria Eliza Ball 64
George William Ball 26
Albert Edward Ball 23
Mary Ada Mills 61 <Sister

Looks like that his brother was also killed in WW1


UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919
about Albert Edward Ball
Name: Albert Edward Ball
Birth Place: Bermondsey
Residence: Barking
Death Date: 31 Oct 1917
Death Location: France & Flanders
Enlistment Location: Barking
Rank: Private
Regiment: London Regiment
Battalion: 7th (City of London) Battalion
Number: 353298
Type of Casualty: Killed in action
Theatre of War: Western European Theatre