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Thanks Jan for your imput, might just order it just to see if correct, many thanks for your time.

sue

Just catching up!
Can't really offer any more really. except to suggest you risk getting the death cert for Laura Smith, on the assumption it is her daughter. (I know this is a bit speculative as you do not know her birth date). If it is, the death is recent enough that the informant might be of interest.
Jan

Hi catherine,
I apologize for not replying sooner.

Thanks for your info, could be possible we are lookin at the same family, but as i dont know much will keep it on file.

sue

Same family:-

1891 England Census about Benjamin Smith
Name: Benjamin Smith
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Wm Henry Smith
Mother's Name: Jane Smith
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester
Civil parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: Albert Memorial
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation: (of father) Oil Dealer

Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 16a
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3245
Folio: 63
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
Wm Henry Smith 52
Jane Smith 44
Harry Smith 22
Mary Smith 28
James Smith 15
William Smith 11
Benjamin Smith 5
Lucy Smith 8
Ethel Smith 2
...................................................

1881 England Census about Wm. Hy. Smith
Name: Wm. Hy. Smith
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Smith
Gender: Male
Where born: Ashton In Makerfield
Civil parish: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 1 Johns Place
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Vanman
Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4002
Folio: 64
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Wm. Hy. Smith 42
Jane Smith 35 born: Manchester, Lancashire
Harry Smith 12
Mary Smith 10
Jane Smith 5
Wm. Smith 1
Jane Livesey 61 - Mother in Law

This could be him?

1901 England Census about Benjamin Smith
Name: Benjamin Smith
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Jane Smith
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: Manchester Albert Memorial
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation: Flanelette Lapper

Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 3
Piece: 3753
Folio: 31
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
Jane Smith 53 - Widow
Polly Smith 30
William Smith 21
Lucy Smith 19
Benjamin Smith 16
Ethel Smith 14

All the info i have on the Smiths come from the marriage cert

Benjamin Smith age 27 cloth lapper 28 Dyson St Miles Platting M/c

His father called Harry Smith (deceased) Commericial traveller

Benjamin married Laura Freda Jane Denian/u Aug 1912

sue

Re. the Smiths, it could be worse! At least he is a Benjamin not a John!
Give all his details and we can maybe track him down. That is, age, address, occupation, father's name & occ.
Jan

Hi Jan

sorry not replied sooner, the witnesses on marriage cert were William Smith & hannah Smith, not much help.

Not sure if correct death for laura as i havent done searches.
I dont know anything much about her husband so not a option.

Thanks again for your help

sue

Well, unless somebody has a better idea (very possible!) I suggest you try tracing her husband's family -remotely possible they might know a bit more.

Did you ever say who the witnesses were on the marriage cert? Sorry if I have missed it but can't see that you have.

Might be her daughter's death maybe???

Name: Laura Smith
Birth Date: 26 Sep 1920
Date of Registration: Nov 1989
Age at Death: 69
Registration district: Bury
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 38
Page: 540

Jan

France, no district which would of helped

Thanks for you help


sue

Also -forgot to ask - where did her daughter put as her mother's birthplace?
Jan

If she has the same name and address, looks like she was unmarried, so there is basically nothing to look for.. You can still check that electoral register, just on the off-chance it offers a clue, but I can't see any other children so it's a very long shot. Laura would be 92 or so now if she is still with us, and who can say what she knew about her mother's family.
It's a challenge but I wonder if there are other family members around? You might need to check out the Smiths - help!

Jan

yes it is

Jan

It doesn't look like Laura was married as it states Smith same address, grateful if you could look,

sue

Must be her daughter:

Name: Laura Smith
Mother's Maiden Surname: Denian
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1920
Registration district: Prestwich
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8d
Page Number: 571

Was her daughter married? Obviously I am not asking for her name! You should have her name at the time of the registration and also her address on the cert.
If she was married you might be able to track her marriage record down.
You can also check electoral register to see who else of voting age was living at both addresses - you probably know that this has to be done in person, or by staff where the records are kept - normally the nearest main library to the address.
If you wish me to have a look, PM what you have.re. her daughter's name if it is other than Smith.
Jan

Her daughter also called Laura.

Laura (mum) died in Prestwich Muirfield Close

sue

Who registered the death Sue? And has it given an address for Laura?
Jan

Up dated info.

I have now got a death cert for laura freda jane smith & gives her maiden name as de Denue born France but no area. other info is transcribe as Denian/u

Can anybody help with look up for france for any info relating to her or father Louis.

Regards

sue

Catherine
I wonder if she had any connection with the Bridge famiy? or just lodging there as thats the address she gave on her marriage cert